When they turn their hand to philosophy it really grates, doesn't it?
Of course it's obvious that if he's saying that mind is simply a physical process then there's really no separation, and any application of this principle to us means there's nothing distinct to separate ME/CFS from cancer and therefore CBT for ME/CFS is of precisely the same value that it is for cancer. And I'm sure he'd use that idea to defend himself from any allegations of being a psychologist wrt ME/CFS. And I'm equally sure his ilk wouldn't dare suggest withdrawing all biomedical research and treatments from cancer patients on that basis either. But this is just the standard hypocrisy of course.
But more interestingly, and looking further ahead, by following Searle - who he tells us, praise the lord! has finally, brilliantly, and relatively recently put an end to this long-standing philosophical poser, easily understood with the help of a copy of Dennett's (excellent) Consciousness Explained - White induces a degree of concern as to what the next generation of all this brilliant thinking will produce. Since the mind and the body really aren't separate at all, well, really there's only the body-mind, isn't there, which really we might as well call the body and have done with it: and that's your lot. What wonderful things will they start doing when they have proved conclusively (to themselves) that there is no soul, mind, or consciousness after all. "I think therefore I damn", perhaps? Much may depend on their ability to not only understand a philosopher's theories, but then to believe in the truth of the knowledge they have gained with a certainty of greater than 0 and less than 100%.
I hope this mob have been having fun learning about philosophy over the last couple of decades, I've been otherwise engaged and sadly unable to devote as much time to that as I'd have liked.
Hey there's a thought, maybe we can get our disease handed over to philosophers instead of psychologists? Sounds far preferable to me...in the absence of doctors...
Biopsychobabble analysed this well above. What I find most extraordinary about this quote (apart from the usual cognitive dissonance of agreeing with Peter White while at the same time realising he can't possibly mean what he says) is the way it both completely undermines the somatisation case while purporting to come up with a new way to support it, and at the same time introduces the danger of yet another new dogma to misunderstand.Peter White:
This is a nonsensical question when one considers the neuroscience of consciousness and recent advances in functional brain physiology. The philosopher, John Searle, stated the answer to this Cartesian dualism that still bedevils western medicine. “Conscious states are caused by neurophysiological mechanisms, and are realised in neurophysiological systems.” Therefore it is not possible to have a psychological process or event without a neurological mediating process. It is neither of the mind or body; it is both.
Of course it's obvious that if he's saying that mind is simply a physical process then there's really no separation, and any application of this principle to us means there's nothing distinct to separate ME/CFS from cancer and therefore CBT for ME/CFS is of precisely the same value that it is for cancer. And I'm sure he'd use that idea to defend himself from any allegations of being a psychologist wrt ME/CFS. And I'm equally sure his ilk wouldn't dare suggest withdrawing all biomedical research and treatments from cancer patients on that basis either. But this is just the standard hypocrisy of course.
But more interestingly, and looking further ahead, by following Searle - who he tells us, praise the lord! has finally, brilliantly, and relatively recently put an end to this long-standing philosophical poser, easily understood with the help of a copy of Dennett's (excellent) Consciousness Explained - White induces a degree of concern as to what the next generation of all this brilliant thinking will produce. Since the mind and the body really aren't separate at all, well, really there's only the body-mind, isn't there, which really we might as well call the body and have done with it: and that's your lot. What wonderful things will they start doing when they have proved conclusively (to themselves) that there is no soul, mind, or consciousness after all. "I think therefore I damn", perhaps? Much may depend on their ability to not only understand a philosopher's theories, but then to believe in the truth of the knowledge they have gained with a certainty of greater than 0 and less than 100%.
I hope this mob have been having fun learning about philosophy over the last couple of decades, I've been otherwise engaged and sadly unable to devote as much time to that as I'd have liked.
Hey there's a thought, maybe we can get our disease handed over to philosophers instead of psychologists? Sounds far preferable to me...in the absence of doctors...