chronic carbon monoxide poisoning and symptoms a thing?

[linusbert]

i wonder if this is a thing.
since a few days i am suffering from the smell of car exhaust gases smells. and i dont think its from the street despite living on a big high trafficed road. i instead suspect the heating to be not working good and clean - its heating time in germany and this house in general is pretty lazy with maintenance so i wouldnt wonder.
sometimes i feel a bit dizzy and aggitated... but the people running the nursing home gaslight me as if its just my imagination.
obviously its not very accute otherwise i would be dead if it is carbon monoxide involved. i ordered a measurement device and lets see what is going on.

the first time i noticed that smell was last winter. also last winter some neuro symptoms regarding ears and eyes started to beginn. i thought at first it was progression of disease.. but now i have a different idea.
also i have most of winter at the same times a sudden worsening of symptoms especially diabetes. getting better after winter again.


so,
now i read a lot about chronic carbon monoxide poisoning and wonder how it could be related to CFS. it shares a few symptoms, inhibits oxygen metabolism and atp production causing hypoxia all over the body and organs.
it can go on for long times and slowly damage the body. so could some of us suffer from this. never realizing the road and heating is silently killing us. carbon monoxide itself is without any smell, other byproducts of burning might cause a smell though.

carbon monoxide poisoning can cause diabetes and a lot of other things.


and the other question is, what can i do about it if i cannot immediately switch my place. any supplements helping here?
carbon monoxide binds to hem protein blocking oxygen. usually they treat it with oxygen or HBOT. but thats not a possibility for me either.
for cyanid poisening there is hydroxocobalamin as antidote. wonder if there is something for carbon monoxide as well?

 

[Judee]

I tested positive for petroleum product sensitivities years ago through an environmental doctor. I still have to use natural gas to heat my home, water, and dry my clothes but I cannot use a gas stove in the kitchen. Being in such close contact to it, makes me feel horribly ill within just a few minutes.

I think it goes along with my MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivities) and I've also speculated that heating season may be why my symptoms get worse to some degree in Fall/Winter.

(I have tried one of those seasonal affective disorder lights and it did not improve things so I don't think it is that.)

You might try something like artichoke and/or milk thistle just to see if they would assist your body in removing the resulting toxins. Artichoke has lessened or taken away bad headaches for me on occasion.

 

[Alvin2]

Low level monoxide is bad for human health.

Here in Canada (in my province at least) monoxide detectors are mandatory, like smoke detectors.
If they are not for you then it might be hard to find one, but hopefully you can find a plug in one. Also many have rather high detection thresholds, if you do buy one and you have many options try to find one with a digital readout and a low detection threshold.

Also high CO2 can be an issue, i remember reading about a building scientist who made his parents house too airtight in the 80s and they felt the effects when it turned out furnace exhaust was spilling into their basement instead of going up the chimney. Monoxide detectors will not detect CO2.

Heres the technical paper about it in case your interested, second paragraph:
https://buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-076-great-moments-in-building-science

 

[linusbert]

I tested positive for petroleum product sensitivities years ago through an environmental doctor. I still have to use natural gas to heat my home, water, and dry my clothes but I cannot use a gas stove in the kitchen. Being in such close contact to it, makes me feel horribly ill within just a few minutes.

interesting, i also suspected petroleum to not be good for me. i noticed with cremes causing worsening of asthma.
i have a similiar thing for fumes , when my head is over or near a candle i do feel sick.

the artichocs i will try, i actually did those a year ago because of potassium.. idk why i stopped but will resume now! i had no adverse effects from them, so thats good at least.

Low level monoxide is bad for human health.

Here in Canada (in my province at least) monoxide detectors are mandatory, like smoke detectors.
If they are not for you then it might be hard to find one, but hopefully you can find a plug in one. Also many have rather high detection thresholds, if you do buy one and you have many options try to find one with a digital readout and a low detection threshold.

Also high CO2 can be an issue, i remember reading about a building scientist who made his parents house too airtight in the 80s and they felt the effects when it turned out furnace exhaust was spilling into their basement instead of going up the chimney. Monoxide detectors will not detect CO2.

Heres the technical paper about it in case your interested, second paragraph:
https://buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-076-great-moments-in-building-science

great information.
the one i ordered shows digital values as low as 30ppm.

so how low is low threshold?


i already have a co2 detector from airthings.
co2 is mostly in the 800-1000 ppm range.
it spiked at 1400 briefly. last week at 1800.
since friday since exhaustion fumes are so bad the co2 levels are much lower, probably me because of constant opening the window... but my room temperature is cold now. cant keep it up.

 

[Alvin2]

so how low is low threshold?

I don't remember, been a while since i had deep dived into it.

co2 is mostly in the 800-1000 ppm range.
it spiked at 1400 briefly. last week at 1800.

Cognition is negatively affected at 500ppm iirc and especially above 1000ppm.

Modern houses should be built very tight and have an heat recovery ventilator, but its expensive to retrofit.
Also many old houses are very leaky already but yours may not be given the high CO2 level.

 

[linusbert]

I don't remember, been a while since i had deep dived into it.

Cognition is negatively affected at 500ppm iirc and especially above 1000ppm.

Modern houses should be built very tight and have an heat recovery ventilator, but its expensive to retrofit.
Also many old houses are very leaky already but yours may not be given the high CO2 level.

500ppm, i can get that if i move out in the woods and live in a tent ... (actually i like that idea).
but in this building impossible. need to switch nursing home ASAP.

this building isnt even a house, its a cave... if the wolf blows it crumbles and whistles. very leaky.
we had a little storm once, and the ceiling tiles started to move from the wind.

 

[Alvin2]

500ppm, i can get that if i move out in the woods and live in a tent ... (actually i like that idea).
but in this building impossible. need to switch nursing home ASAP.

this building isnt even a house, its a cave... if the wolf blows it crumbles and whistles. very leaky.
we had a little storm once, and the ceiling tiles started to move from the wind.

Yet you have 800-1000ppm.

 

[Judee]

I cannot use a gas stove in the kitchen. Being in such close contact to it, makes me feel horribly ill within just a few minutes.

I noticed this article on PR's header today. I only was able to lightly skim read it.


https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...oves-contaminate-indoor-air-with-benzene.aspx