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Been told taking NAC without other supplements is harmful

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Hello! I am a member of a lactate removal protocol group on FB. It is in Norwegian and recommends the following protocol for people with ME/CFS. The aim is to prep the body for high dose thiamine.

The protocol is:
1. Multivitamin with selenium and molyben
2. Magnesium
3. Potassium
4. B-complex with choline. As high dose as possible.
5. Glutamin 500mg every evening, 2-3x/week.
6. Glysin 2000mg, every evening
7. N-Acetyl Cystein 2000mg, evening.
8. B1 (thiamine). Increase until achieved effect

They say it can take months or even over a year to reach the 8th step.

I am taking 500mg NAC (full list of what I take down at the bottom) and they said I can not take NAC without going through the other steps first or I will get worse.

I was on this protocol before my severe crash (brought on by extreme exertion over many days) 3 weeks ago, which brought me from moderate to bed bound. I was on the 4th step and had to stop the supplements because I could physically not take any supplements without nausea and vomiting.

I started NAC, Nattokinase, aspirin and fasting on Tuesday 4th July and by Thursday- I noticed an increase in energy! I am pretty sure I overdid it in the weekend by being too active on Saturday-Monday, and by Tuesday I was experiencing a crash again.

Would love feedback/thoughts on whether I should continue NAC or not. I started NAC as part of the Nicotine patch protocol and the I-RECOVER by FLCCC.

I currently take 14th July 23:
10mg cetirizin, 20mg famotidin (10mg morning + evening), 5mg montelukast, 100mg nattokinase, 500mg NAC, 1,5mg naltrexon, 500mg aspirin (evening). Fasting at least 16hours every day. Round 2 of nicotine patch, upping slowly from 1,75 to 7mg/day.
 
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linusbert

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what is thymin? do you mean THIAMINE? those are different things i believe after a short internet search.


there are many opinions on NAC and glutathione. Freds protocol is strictly against it, others say they recovered a bit with it.
so i personally do not now. but if you feel worse after taking something its a good indicator not to take it, or lower dose.

i see you are taking multiple anti histamines. i also didnt see vitamin D in your list. did you measure it in blood?
do you take it?
vitamin D is big factor in histamine regulation and mast cell stabilization.
its said that at levels of 40ng/ml + it will over time improve asthma and allergies a lot.
so maybe this is a direction where you can do some investigations.

also many people recommend magnesium and potassium a lot, but its important to also have all electrolytes like calcium, phosphor, sodium and chloride in view. b1 needs also phosphor a lot.
 
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what is thymin? do you mean THIAMINE? those are different things i believe after a short internet search.


there are many opinions on NAC and glutathione. Freds protocol is strictly against it, others say they recovered a bit with it.
so i personally do not now. but if you feel worse after taking something its a good indicator not to take it, or lower dose.

i see you are taking multiple anti histamines. i also didnt see vitamin D in your list. did you measure it in blood?
do you take it?
vitamin D is big factor in histamine regulation and mast cell stabilization.
its said that at levels of 40ng/ml + it will over time improve asthma and allergies a lot.
so maybe this is a direction where you can do some investigations.

also many people recommend magnesium and potassium a lot, but its important to also have all electrolytes like calcium, phosphor, sodium and chloride in view. b1 needs also phosphor a lot.
B1 thiamine yes. I've edited it now. Sorry.

I had 86 ng/ml vitamin D from my test back in May. I paused it as I was already taking a lot of supplements and I don't want to trigger nausea.

What is the Freds protocol?

And I don't know if it's the NAC or because I was very active 3 days in a row. I THINK it was all the activity, but either way, my question was regarding continuing NAC without the other supplements- which I was told was necessary if you're taking NAC.
 

linusbert

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freds is a methylation protocol, its probably pinned in the b12, methylation section.

I had 86 ng/ml vitamin D from my test back in May. I paused it as I was already taking a lot of supplements and I don't want to trigger nausea.
thats a solid level, keep it above 40.
its weird that you still need anti histamines though. you also take selen and zink , which are cofactors.
what is about retinol (A)? its important for D. maybe get some cod liver oil for that , but natural like rosita or so.
 

hapl808

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I currently take 14th July 23:
10mg cetirizin, 20mg famotidin (10mg morning + evening), 5mg montelukast, 100mg nattokinase, 500mg NAC, 1,5mg naltrexon, 500mg aspirin (evening). Fasting at least 16hours every day. Round 2 of nicotine patch, upping slowly from 1,75 to 7mg/day.

Yeah, that's a lot. An H1 blocker, H2 blocker, leukotriene inhibitor, low dose naltrexone, nicotine patch, etc. I don't know if you've slowly added those or just following a protocol, but I think it's hard to know what the body is doing with that much stuff.

LDN doesn't seem to work for me. It makes my dreams much more vivid, but I seem to suffer from worse fatigue when taking it. That said, it's hard to tell because I'm always exhausted. Benadryl (H1 blocker) improves my muscle pain and allergies, but if I stop taking it then the rebound is worse.

Just those two together would make it impossible for me to know what was going on.
 
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I am following 2 protocols. The FLCCC I-RECOVER for vaccine injury and the nicotine patch at low doses for 7 days at a time, then 7days off. I have linked them in the OP.

There are other medications in the I-RECOVER protocol but I can not get them.

If I were to cut things out- what do you think I should keep? And do I do it gradually or just stop taking them?

I was thinking fasting and the naltrexon, maybe the cetirizin because I also suffer from seasonal allergies (but I usually take Aerius).
 

GreenEdge

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If you're on a carnivore diet then all you need is NAC, otherwise you (at least) need glycine as well. Meat is very nutrient dense and will provide 1-6 of the lactate removal protocol. All you need is NAC + B1. Meat provides enough B1 to meet our needs but not enough to reverse a deficiency.

If you want to know what to cut out; processed foods makes us unhealthy.

Meat is the only substance known to man that can lead us away from our addiction to processed foods; that makes it the enemy of the food industry. So the food industry funds most nutrition studies in order to obfuscate and drown out the real science.
See: Confessions of a Big-food/Big-pharma Insider (Calley Means)

Meat is what humans evolved to eat, so it's a powerful healer. That makes it the enemy of the pharmaceutical industry. The pharmaceutical industry backs the food industry that influences dietitians / nutrition science to keep us fooled and fed processed foods which act as a slow acting poison that goes unnoticed and undetected. Foods that ensure you become another customer for more of their drugs. Their drugs only treat symptoms because they know that treating symptoms will never cure you - that guarantees you become a customer for life.
 
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