B Complex makes me angry
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If you are taking a complex, then you will need to isolate the offending vitamin. I just realized that one of mine contains PABA which irritates my system (makes me worse).
Keep in mind that b vitamins can suppress other b vitamins, you might have a need for say B2 as the other poster suggested. Taking B12 may be suppressing B2 etc.
Keep in mind that b vitamins can suppress other b vitamins, you might have a need for say B2 as the other poster suggested. Taking B12 may be suppressing B2 etc.
Some b vitamins are also sulfur/thiols such as Thiamine and Biotin. I get headaches from them if I take them regularly. I can take them maybe once or twice a month and not be affected too much.
One of the most important lessons I have learned is that everyone is biochemically different which means what works for one person may not work for another.
You would almost have to isolate each b vitamin and test and observe then adjust. Based on some general ideas, I would choose B2 since it is supportive of immune function and also adrenal function. B6 would be my next choice then B5 (pantothenic acid). If you are experiencing adrenal issues (POTS) then these are critical vitamins since they support adrenal activity. But there are other nutrients that support adrenal activity such as Vitamin C and magnesium etc.
Choline works very well for me. It works better when I use choline/inositol, not just choline.
>>>>>>these below would be on my bottom choices >>>>>>>>>>>
B12 generally ramps up metabolism which might be ok if you have other supporting b vitamins. Folic acid is in the same family as B12 which MAY do the same as B12.
B3 (niacin or niacinamide) has a tendency to accelerate metabolism which causes panic attack feelings.
B1 is generally considered to be energy stimulating but some on this forum have reported benefits from taking it.
PABA is a no no for me.
Biotin is neutral for me.
If you do the experiment, don't forget to post your findings. This helps us and the future people who will visit the forum looking for help.
You would almost have to isolate each b vitamin and test and observe then adjust. Based on some general ideas, I would choose B2 since it is supportive of immune function and also adrenal function. B6 would be my next choice then B5 (pantothenic acid). If you are experiencing adrenal issues (POTS) then these are critical vitamins since they support adrenal activity. But there are other nutrients that support adrenal activity such as Vitamin C and magnesium etc.
Choline works very well for me. It works better when I use choline/inositol, not just choline.
>>>>>>these below would be on my bottom choices >>>>>>>>>>>
B12 generally ramps up metabolism which might be ok if you have other supporting b vitamins. Folic acid is in the same family as B12 which MAY do the same as B12.
B3 (niacin or niacinamide) has a tendency to accelerate metabolism which causes panic attack feelings.
B1 is generally considered to be energy stimulating but some on this forum have reported benefits from taking it.
PABA is a no no for me.
Biotin is neutral for me.
If you do the experiment, don't forget to post your findings. This helps us and the future people who will visit the forum looking for help.
@DmxDex If you are taking a multi with methylB12 and methylfolate it's highly likely that your body cannot metabolise the extra methyl groups. This is common in people who have a slow COMT Snp. I am one of those people btw and can only tolerate a tiny amount of these and certainly not every day. Therefore I get these cofactors from my diet.
I remember Ben Lynch wrote a lot about this as it was a very common problem. There are other SNPs that can slow things down even more so you get a build up of these substances which can affect one's neurotransmitters, hence the anger and from memory I think it might be a slow MAO but don't quote me on that one! Bad headaches are another side effect of too many methyl groups btw.
It's definitely worth checking your supplement. An alternative to MB12 is the hydroxyB12 as that is also an active form. Dark green veg are full of folate and also some nuts contain a good amount too (even peanuts I think). I have maintained a high level of folate in my blood and also B12 without taking supplements but by having a good diet. I do take B2 which also supplies methyl groups just because it is supposed to be good at helping with migraines and I don't seem to have any problems with it.
Hope that helps.
Pam
I remember Ben Lynch wrote a lot about this as it was a very common problem. There are other SNPs that can slow things down even more so you get a build up of these substances which can affect one's neurotransmitters, hence the anger and from memory I think it might be a slow MAO but don't quote me on that one! Bad headaches are another side effect of too many methyl groups btw.
It's definitely worth checking your supplement. An alternative to MB12 is the hydroxyB12 as that is also an active form. Dark green veg are full of folate and also some nuts contain a good amount too (even peanuts I think). I have maintained a high level of folate in my blood and also B12 without taking supplements but by having a good diet. I do take B2 which also supplies methyl groups just because it is supposed to be good at helping with migraines and I don't seem to have any problems with it.
Hope that helps.
Pam
Personally, I find the doses in which B vitamins (in a B-complex or otherwise) are sold are often too high. It is common to find B-1 thiamine or B-2 riboflavin sold in 100mg tablets but I can't tolerate that amount. The usual intake of these is 1 or 2mg. Those prepared doses are huge and the thinking seems to be that as they are water soluble an excess will wash out but doing so seems to put a strain on my body.
Such large doses (100 or 200 mg or B-1 or B-2) are often used in research studies and then the same dose gets transferred (without true justification) by supplement manufacturers into recommendations for everyday use. An example of this is NAC which inevitably gets sold in 600mg doses even though there is no dose-ranging study to say this is optimal or most frequently needed.
I buy B vitamins in tablet form (which is not always easy to find) and split the tablet into four and don't take more than two doses a day. I prefer to buy them separately (especially as I have problems tolerating certain forms of B-3) but taking them individually like this can becomes a real chore and is not for everybody.
As for B-12 specifically, if one has a defined problem in transporting or utilising B-12 then one would be justified in taking mega-doses (1,000 mcg injections/oil or whatever) to compensate. I take such doses of B-12 but, again, it is easy to over-dose and feel worse from handling the overload, while paradoxically deriving benefit.
I find the same cautions about megadosing goes for folate (vitamin B-8).
Such large doses (100 or 200 mg or B-1 or B-2) are often used in research studies and then the same dose gets transferred (without true justification) by supplement manufacturers into recommendations for everyday use. An example of this is NAC which inevitably gets sold in 600mg doses even though there is no dose-ranging study to say this is optimal or most frequently needed.
I buy B vitamins in tablet form (which is not always easy to find) and split the tablet into four and don't take more than two doses a day. I prefer to buy them separately (especially as I have problems tolerating certain forms of B-3) but taking them individually like this can becomes a real chore and is not for everybody.
As for B-12 specifically, if one has a defined problem in transporting or utilising B-12 then one would be justified in taking mega-doses (1,000 mcg injections/oil or whatever) to compensate. I take such doses of B-12 but, again, it is easy to over-dose and feel worse from handling the overload, while paradoxically deriving benefit.
I find the same cautions about megadosing goes for folate (vitamin B-8).
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