Are there any doctors who work with sleeping pills other than psychiatrists?

Pearshaped

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@overtheedge usually the psychiatrist knows a lot about sleep meds.
You dont need to convince the psychiatrist to believe in ME,you just need to convince him that you have such sleep difficulties.
How many hours can you sleep at night and are you mild/moderate or severe?

I do not agree with others here.
If you are severe enough and sleep less than four hours every night your body needs support.Without sleep you can get worse in the long run,too.I can guarantee you that.

My sleep med has enabeled me to read and use my smartphone again.
Sleep meds are serious,but made for people who are sick enough who desperately need some quality of life.
Have you checked out the list here on the PR website? see "Treatments -> Sleep
I have Halcion[Triazolam].
 

lenora

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Hey Lenora,

I think we might have gotten our wires crossed. I actually wasn't asking for help. I saw that you had quoted my original answer to the OP in your post and then tried to answer the question that I saw that you had posted under the quote because I then mistakenly assumed that it was directed towards me. :)

That's OK, Abrin, I'm sorry that I couldn't help you with anything, but there are people who have gone more into the frontier than I have. To them, I'll turn you over. Good luck; good health. Yours, Lenora.
 

Learner1

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They say you can often identify the condition you have by its most unusual symptom, the sensitivity to pressure just seems so weird, but i have no idea what to call that symptom.
Sounds like you found something to call it, which makes sense. Hypersensitivity many times is a nutrient deficiency or imbalance.

It might be a deficiency of B vitamins (particularly B1, B2, or B12), vitamins C, D, or E, calcium, magnesium of omega 3s.
I mean I definitely experience PEM and other things typical of CFS but I'm still holding out some hope i can find some alternate cause of my illness instead of having to wait till whenever it is the cure for CFS is found. But your definitely right, the nature of the symptoms can make the overall condition much harder to manage.
This is a complex, multi-organ system disease, typically with a number of factors driving it. Like you, I am not patient enough to wait 30 years for a magic bullet, and gave found that breaking out treatable problems snd treating each one with both functional and conventional medicine has gotten me far.
I've worked with functional medicine doctors for years and have had the nutreval done as well as having a GDX labs amino acid test and organic acid test done before i had the nutreval. The nutreval was done at a weird time, I was on the SCD diet, and the results of the nutreval weren't focused on as thoroughly as they could have been but most of the stuff the nutreval recommends I've taken at one time or another, really many of those those things have been taken all at once at different points in time, the vitamins, probiotics, antioxidants, EFAs, etc. have been used consistently for a while when working with functional medicine doctors. I tried all the amino acids the tests recommended without any noticeable change, at least on the first one, the profile of the second amino acid test, the one that was part of the nutreval, had results that were very different than the first
I've used a systematic approach, doing the NutrEvsl every 9-12 months since 2011. I've correlated it with other tests and have seen it among many other patients' tests and it is a credible, very useful test. I recently ran a Great Plains OAT test the same week as a NutrEvsl and the results correlated very well

My results today look much different than in 2011. The results have changed over time as I've made various interventions, and the thing I like I can see what the various pathways are doing and know what interventions to make..

It's critical to get the physicians Copy of the results, with the 12 pages of explanatory text, rather than just the brain dead patients Copy with the little supplement recipe on page 2, which I find is more of a suggestion to go up or down in supplements that I already take, rather than a recommended dose - in many cases, I take many times the recommended dose because it says I'm deficient in something I've already been taking.

As for amino acids, I've learned a lot. For a couple of years, all my aminos came back pretty low, and then the ME/CFS research showed that ME/CFS patients tend to run low in various amino acids and I found mine fit the pattern well and I realized I needed to up my protein intake to 1.6-1.8g/kg to become sufficient. Beyond that, I've run out of tyrosine, correlated with my low dopamine. I ran out of methionine, causing my homocysteine to go down to 3. I ran out of asparagine, which caused old mito content to build up, which returned to my baseline with supplementation.

I've also found that running a plasma amino acids panel sling with the urine panel in the NutrEval is helpful, comparing what I'm short of with what I'm dumping. Oddly, taurine is off the charts high - I think I'm making it from cysteine and methionine to mop up oxidative stress as I'm not taking any.

I don't find that fixing any one nutrient usually makes much difference in symptoms. They all need to work together, and my goal is to normalize all the out of whack values, and feel better over time, which I have.

I also have found that though this approach is essential to s comprehensive program for ME/CFS, it is not a substitute for getting rid of mycotoxins or heavy metals.

Or in addressing infections, immunodeficiency, autoimmunity (POTS and MCAS) which were not responsive to done excellent functional medicine solutions because my immune system was so bad. It has taken some heavy duty pharmaceutical Interventions by conventional doctors (Valcyte, IVIG, Rituximab, POTS and MCAS meds) to make headway, and until I did this, I spent a lot of money on things that weren't as effective as I'd hoped, even though there was sound science to make them worth a try. But the nutrient interventions helped fix the damage done by the infections and my misbehaving immune system.
 

overtheedge

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@Pearshaped
I wonder what i should say if the psychiatrist pries into my life, often doctors will ask about other factors possibly causing sleep issues, job, stress, etc.

What did you tell your psychiatrist or how did you dance around the CFS issue?
tests and medicines in their field fortunately, haven't been doubted by any non psychiatrists.

I usually get 5-7h slp per night. How my cfs is depends largely on how much sleep i get. Things are ok if i can get 8hrs slp which i used to about 2/3rds of nights before some infections within the last 12 months or so messed my health and my sleep up. with less than 7h slp I cant do much and feel about twice as fatigued, less than 6h and im completely out of it and cant do much but lie in bed and feel sick. so sleep is really vital.

Health has been going downhill from all the lack of sleep.

One of the things that I really need is to be able to get a doctor who can do phone consults or web confrerences, it takes way to much energy to go out and see a doctor.

@Learner1

I didn't mean to sound like i was questioning the validity of GDX labs, I have found their stuff to be reliable and consistent, the GI focused tests Ive done have been consistent and the truth of their findings has been repeatable with quest diagnostics and labcorp tests such as the occult blood and fat in stool findings. Also the sibo tests and stool culture tests have changed with antibiotic use as would be expected.
I think the amino acids shifting around on my tests has more to do with overall changes in my health as many meds have worked differently for me between how my cfs was back when i took the first amino acid test and the second one as part of nutreval. Interesting that you mention high taurine, Ive got that too, at least on the most recent amino acid test.
 
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Dr Levine in nyc freely tries different prescription meds. I’ve tried 4 or 5 and found doxepine works best but the first few days you can feel foggy and it makes you hungry so you will gain weight. I recently switched to Etizolam. It is not available in the USA in pharmacies but however it is not scheduled yet so you can legally buy it online. ... a year costs me about $75. It is however a new type of benzo called a thienodiazepine. It supposedly is not as habit forming as benzos and has a short half life. I have used it for a few years and switch from time to time to other types of sleeping pills and I don’t seem addicted.
 
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