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Anyone try high frequency or daily IV ozone?

Swim15

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There’s a clinic I’ve been getting mine done but started looking and ozone machines are incredibly inexpensive. You could do a home set up for easily under $1000 and have access to essentially unlimited ozone therapy.

I’m curious to see if anyone has tried high frequency lie daily infusions for 2-3 weeks and then maybe going to 2-3 times a week after that...maybe even more for a period?

Ozone exposed to UV is supposed to be potently antiviral so wasn’t sure if enough infusions might have a large impact.
 

Mary

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@Swim15 - I'm in the process of trying to get ozone IVs. Unfortunately the doctor's office I was going to do it at would have me be in a room with 4 other people . . . which I don't want to do because of COVID-19. I'm trying to see if there's any way they'll give me a room by myself. My immune system is impaired.

Have you noticed any results from the IVs you've had done? How many have you had? Are you doing straight ozone IVs, or the major autohemotherapy (MAH)? Although one couldn't do the MAH therapy at home.

One reason I'm so interested in ozone therapy is because I've been taking something called Cellfood for 3-1/2 months. It's increased my energy some, though it hasn't stopped me from crashing., And I think it's helping my immune system a bit, though I still get sick a lot unfortunately. I have, however, been able to cut my thyroid med in half since starting the Cellfood. Cellfood supposedly works by increasing oxygenation and hydrogen in the body.

Any information you can provide about ozone therapy, including links to machines, etc. would be appreciated!
 

Hip

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You could do a home set up for easily under $1000 and have access to essentially unlimited ozone therapy.

I use a transdermal ozone application method which costs nothing, apart from the one-off cost of buying an ozone generator for around $30. I find this has an all-round benefit for mental health symptoms such as depression, but does not help my ME/CFS.

Though an Italian study found ozone has some benefit for ME/CFS: they administered ozone autohemotherapy twice a week for one month, and then twice a month as maintenance therapy.


Ozone at the low concentrations used in the body is not antiviral or antibacterial (the CDC state this).

The benefits of ozone therapy are theorized to arise from exposing the body to a transient oxidative stress, which results in the body increasing its levels of antioxidant enzymes, expressing oxidative stress proteins, and probably releasing stem cells. Ref: chapter 4 of the book OZONE. A New Medical Drug, by Velio Bocci.
 
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Swim15

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I’ve been doing major autohemotherapy which is still doable from home...really not a big deal. Just pull off 100-200cc of blood, mix the ozone, expose to UV and re-IV it back in. Some places use heparin which is a little harder to get though.

I’ve only done one treatment so far and didn’t notice anything but that’s not enough. Started thinking about just buying the set up and doing it from home for a few hundred before dropping thousands to do it at a clinic.

As far as ozone being antiviral/bacterial I need to look more into on the mechanism but it definitely is just from the immune response generated by the body.
 

Wishful

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Ozone exposed to UV is supposed to be potently antiviral

I think that means that ozone and UV are both good at killing viruses in vitro, at levels that would kill your healthy cells too. I don't think that at levels that aren't dangerous to your cells, that it will make a noticeable difference in a viral infection in your body.
 

helios

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I’ve only done one treatment so far and didn’t notice anything but that’s not enough. Started thinking about just buying the set up and doing it from home for a few hundred before dropping thousands to do it at a clinic.

As far as ozone being antiviral/bacterial I need to look more into on the mechanism but it definitely is just from the immune response generated by the body.

I've had IV ozone and loved it, alas its expensive, and is not promoted where I live due to controversy. Where I had it done the clinic has now closed. If I could do it at home I absolutely would, but its not so easy...if you want to go IV. You ideally need to extract blood, mix it with Heparin to help thin the blood and also ideally a method to disperse the O3 in the blood evenly then inject it back. If you had a friend who was a nurse to help you out that would also help. I've got to ask, do you stick the needle in the vein yourself? How do you saturate the blood with the ozone (there is risk with plastics and O3)? How much O3 vs volume of blood do you do? Also what pressure?

When I had it done Heperin was used but I don't know how essential it is but would expect it helps with the distribution of ozone in the blood + to stop it from coagulating when it was in the mixing bag. I did not notice any benefits the first time I did IV ozone. The 2nd session I had i crashed with exhaustion (herx I assume), the third visit I felt wonderful. I did Tens-Pass protocol (10 lVs) as well, and if I was to stick an IV in my arm I would do a number of infusions to make the session worth while. The downside to the treatment is that it faded within the month of last treatment though I still thought it took me to a higher (slightly) level of health.
 

Swim15

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I've had IV ozone and loved it, alas its expensive, and is not promoted where I live due to controversy. Where I had it done the clinic has now closed. If I could do it at home I absolutely would, but its not so easy...if you want to go IV. You ideally need to extract blood, mix it with Heparin to help thin the blood and also ideally a method to disperse the O3 in the blood evenly then inject it back. If you had a friend who was a nurse to help you out that would also help. I've got to ask, do you stick the needle in the vein yourself? How do you saturate the blood with the ozone (there is risk with plastics and O3)? How much O3 vs volume of blood do you do? Also what pressure?

When I had it done Heperin was used but I don't know how essential it is but would expect it helps with the distribution of ozone in the blood + to stop it from coagulating when it was in the mixing bag. I did not notice any benefits the first time I did IV ozone. The 2nd session I had i crashed with exhaustion (herx I assume), the third visit I felt wonderful. I did Tens-Pass protocol (10 lVs) as well, and if I was to stick an IV in my arm I would do a number of infusions to make the session worth while. The downside to the treatment is that it faded within the month of last treatment though I still thought it took me to a higher (slightly) level of health.

My mom is a nurse and I’ve got lots of friends that are nurses/docs so plenty of options there.

As far as mixing, not everyone uses heparin although it would help. My other thought is just mixing in some NS in the bag to thin it out a little. As far as mixing, it doesn’t take much. Just inject it into the bag and mix it around with your hands. Blood turns a noticeably lighter color almost insanely. As for dose, there are lots of guidelines on the max amount of ozone to mix with the blood
 

helios

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As an experiment, you might try heperin by itself. Maybe blood-thinning is what works for you, or some other effects it has on the body.
Yes this is a possibility too. I remember reading of some experiencing better health with it. I thought I remember having a test done to measure fibirin levels in my blood and they were on the high side but not at really high levels to freak the doctor out, he mentioned heparin but kept divvering over prescribing it (plus maybe because it meant he also had to inject it) and I ended up forgetting about it. From what I read I don't know if it can be prescribed off label easily to trial. I would love to see if it was that more so than the ozone.
 
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helios

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Could you detail the improvements that IV ozone made to your ME/CFS symptom or other symptoms? Which symptoms did it help?
I sent an email back to the clinic a couple of months after the treatment but I dont have that email address anymore so have to go on memory. I remember the list of positive changes I listed would have been like 10-12. I'm sure many here when they have boosted their health can break it down to many aspects as CFS is a lot more than just fatigue. ….
Reduction in chemical & food sensitivity, improved sense of smell, improved eye sight, less tiredness- both physical & mental, improved libido, improved orgasm & less hangover afterwards, improved focus + ability to multi task (I developed ADD over the last decade), feeling happier, improved motivation & mental vigor (got things done which I had put off for number of years), improved endurance/stamina, improved sleep I think was one. Sorry that's all I can remember just now.

the doctor who specialised in hard to treat cases, told me 60% had recovery, 30% had temporary health boost and 10% got nothing. I don't know how legit that was, but obviously I was in the 30% group....so wish it was the 60% group. Each time I have had a short term marked improvement in my health when its worn off and I slump back in health I get a double wammy with depression.
 
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Wishful

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they were on the high side but not at really high levels to freak the doctor out,

We're all different, so what might be 'not high enough to worry about' for one person might be a serious issue for someone else. If you have trouble getting heparin, see whether there are any other blood thinners that might have an equivalent effect. If turmeric and cayenne both provide a noticeable similar improvement, then the doctor might be more willing to let you experiment with prescription drugs to find the most effective treatment.

That's assuming that it's the anticoagulant effect at work, and not the ozone, or some other property of heparin.
 

Swim15

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I’ve heard heparin has some antiviral properties but didn’t read into it much. Have seen a few providers who have used it as an adjunct to treatment
 
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I did 26 sessions of direct intravenous ozone (Ozone in a syringe straight in the vein). I was near to remission in CFS synptoms, I Just couldn't do much in mental exercises like reading and took a 1 1/2 months to fully feel the effects.

Unfortunately, my veins couldn't bear more and I had to stop. I just started O3 saunas to replace and so far didnt feel anything
 

Swim15

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I did 26 sessions of direct intravenous ozone (Ozone in a syringe straight in the vein). I was near to remission in CFS synptoms, I Just couldn't do much in mental exercises like reading and took a 1 1/2 months to fully feel the effects.

Unfortunately, my veins couldn't bear more and I had to stop. I just started O3 saunas to replace and so far didnt feel anything

Never heard of straight IV ozone - this wasnt autohemotherapy, right? Where’d you get it done and what level of improvements did you see if you don’t mind?
 
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Never heard of straight IV ozone - this wasnt autohemotherapy, right? Where’d you get it done and what level of improvements did you see if you don’t mind?

This practice is old but not that recommended nowadays because of a pain you may feel in the chest for ten minutes after you finish the syringue, than the dinscomfort is over. Actually, there are many practioners doing It, but the most famous is Dr Robbins in NY. Though, You dont really need a practioner, the process is so easy that I did It at home. You just need the right equipamentos.

I think It is as effective as 10-pass. And I had mental clarity and physical energy. As I told you, I Just couldn't do mental exercises
 

Swim15

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This practice is old but not that recommended nowadays because of a pain you may feel in the chest for ten minutes after you finish the syringue, than the dinscomfort is over. Actually, there are many practioners doing It, but the most famous is Dr Robbins in NY. Though, You dont really need a practioner, the process is so easy that I did It at home. You just need the right equipamentos.

I think It is as effective as 10-pass. And I had mental clarity and physical energy. As I told you, I Just couldn't do mental exercises

Interesting. May give that a try since it’s incredibly easy. Which machine did you use? No lasting benefits I take it, just while you were doing it?