Anyone had the 2nd AstraZenica jab after a bad experience with the first? (and what was the effect?)

[Guwop2]

Hello all, Just an update here. After 14 weeks im feeling much better after having had an awful time with the Astra Zenica vaccine. I saw a chinese herbalist and they gave me some medicine that seemed to accelerate my recovery, and now I can walk again (my reponse was different to my usual M.E symptoms - I suspect I had the equivalent of long covid). Im back to about 80% of baseline health. Now im reckoning with the decision of whether to get the 2nd dose. I am able to get AZ again, or Pfizer - mixing vaccines is now available in the UK. Has anyone here tried this?

I consulted the poll here on vaccnine responses, but the numbers dont really add up. 2 questions referring to the same (first) vaccine shot elicited reponses from 6868 and 2099 people respectively - it's not clear why (and these discrepencies are accross the board - plus hardly anyone seemed to go for the second AZ dose, so the numbers there are pretty meaningless) Regardless, am still no closer to knowing whether I should risk triggering the illness so badly again, it could be worse the seocnd time..

 

[Rufous McKinney]

I saw a chinese herbalist and they gave me some medicine that seemed to accelerate my recovery,

congrats, you found some help there!

Regardless, am still no closer to knowing whether I should risk triggering the illness so badly again, it could be worse the seocnd time.

its really hard to know what to do....only you can decide.

Do you have alot of exterior exposure to germs, generally? that might be a factor to consider.

There is growing evidence that ivermectin can be taken prophylacally, reducing dramatically the risk of getting COVID at all. However, ivermectin seems largely unavailable. Even tho its very available.

My husband got a serious staph infection after j and j (unrelated, they said, OH? i say )

I don't know what to do, so I stay home, which I cannot do forever.

 

[ljimbo423]

Regardless, am still no closer to knowing whether I should risk triggering the illness so badly again, it could be worse the seocnd time..

To be honest, I don't know what I would do in your shoes.

Maybe you could sit with how you feel about getting the second shot and see if that feels right. Then try doing the same with not getting the second shot.

I'm a firm believer that our intuition knows what's best.

 

[godlovesatrier]

I came to the conclusion that even of the vaccine knocked me back for 3 to 6 months due to ebv and possibly other viral re-activations, it was worthit because ultimately I won't end up in hospital with covid. But only you can decide.

Can you ride the next 3 years out with minimal contact with anyone - that's the big question really.

 

[Booble]

I came to the conclusion that even of the vaccine knocked me back for 3 to 6 months due to ebv and possibly other viral re-activations, it was worthit because ultimately I won't end up in hospital with covid. But only you can decide.

Can you ride the next 3 years out with minimal contact with anyone - that's the big question really.

I can ride out the next 3 years with minimal contact but I'm still nervous about vaccinated (J&J) husband bringing it home from the grocery store or other errands, even though he's super careful, masked, distanced and disinfected.

I might bite the bullet and get vaccinated. Cases are rising in my little community.
I really, really, really was hoping for new guidance based on what they have learned over the last 8 months of vaccines. I'm very disappointed that it's the original vaccination or nothing.

 

[godlovesatrier]

Yes I can't rule out my gf getting it as she works for the govt and must go into an office, otherwise I reckon we could get away with it to be honest.

You wouldn't want covid that's for sure but hte vaccine trade off is a tricky one too.

 

[Guwop2]

Do you have alot of exterior exposure to germs, generally? that might be a factor to consider.

I live in London in a clean house, but London is polluted for sure. Always feel better when I go to the country side.

 

[Guwop2]

I came to the conclusion that even of the vaccine knocked me back for 3 to 6 months due to ebv and possibly other viral re-activations, it was worthit because ultimately I won't end up in hospital with covid. But only you can decide.

Can you ride the next 3 years out with minimal contact with anyone - that's the big question really.

All true, except i'd expect the C-19 Vaccine to become more refined over the coming year/s (i.e. less aggressive). I had a battery of vaccines before travelling to Thailand in 2017 and didnt respond badly at all, these Vaccine's cause fairly strong reactions in even healthy people for long periods, whcih is something I suspect are creases to wrinkled out over time.
Prob will get AZ again, since the second does is apparently milder..but who's to say really, afaics this is word of mouth with zero scientific backing

 

[Guwop2]

To be honest, I don't know what I would do in your shoes.

Maybe you could sit with how you feel about getting the second shot and see if that feels right. Then try doing the same with not getting the second shot.

I'm a firm believer that our intuition knows what's best.

🙏 Good advice 🙏
thank you -)

 

[Booble]

My "intuition" keeps telling me NO NO NO but my brain keeps telling me "you better get the vaccine."

 

[ljimbo423]

My "intuition" keeps telling me NO NO NO but my brain keeps telling me "you better get the vaccine."

The way I feel my intuition is a gentle pull in a specific direction, a very subtle "knowing". You make an excellent point though. It's often very difficult to know when intuition is making itself known.

 

[Booble]

The way I feel my intuition is a gentle pull in a specific direction, a very subtle "knowing". You make an excellent point though. It's often very difficult to know when intuition is making itself known.

I agree. I'm researching and researching and researching like crazy so that my intuition has what it needs to lead me in the right direction!

 

[ljimbo423]

Good luck! I hope whatever decision you make is the right decision for yourself.

 

[Booble]

Good luck! I hope whatever decision you make is the right decision for yourself.

Thanks! I'm definitely going to get vaccinated -- it's a question of when and which and how.
I hope I don't wait too long and Delta finds me in hiding.

 

[L'engle]

Getting a second dose of Pfizer Biontech seems potentially better than getting a second Astra Zeneca. Might be worth considering, as the experts seem to be approving of the second dose being different now.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

It's often very difficult to know when intuition is making itself known.

Its also tricky- at times when obstacles appear in our path, we may think we need to move the obstacle aside, or, in just the opposite fashion- these obstacles suggest one should not be pursing X or Y.

Coins are helpful.

 

[Guwop2]

Getting a second dose of Pfizer Biontech seems potentially better than getting a second AstraZenica

Interesting, but what are you basing this on? Doesn’t appear to be any information or testimony by ME people trying this, unless I’ve missed something.

 

[L'engle]

Medical professionals on the news in Canada and internationally. It's not specific to people with ME.

Here's several stories that talks about the study. You can google it if you want a broader base of sources.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/im...-mixing-dose-schedule-with-pfizer-2021-06-28/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/mixing-vaccines-pfizer-astrazeneca-1.6083245

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...ose-following-astrazeneca-shot-naci-1.5475020

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tion-uncompromised-by-gap-over-12-weeks-study

https://www.business-standard.com/a...neca-canadian-authorities-121061800140_1.html

 

[Guwop2]

Medical professionals on the news in Canada and internationally. It's not specific to people with ME.

Here's several stories that talks about the study. You can google it if you want a broader base of sources.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/im...-mixing-dose-schedule-with-pfizer-2021-06-28/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/mixing-vaccines-pfizer-astrazeneca-1.6083245

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...ose-following-astrazeneca-shot-naci-1.5475020

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tion-uncompromised-by-gap-over-12-weeks-study

https://www.business-standard.com/a...neca-canadian-authorities-121061800140_1.html

Oh yes, I know about the mixing thing, my doctor here in the UK offered it to me as an alternative. I was more referring to folks with ME getting it and their response, but i can't find any reliable data, or even personal testimony regarding it and I dont fancy being a test subject..better the devil you know and get the same one I had

 

[L'engle]

FYI if you haven't seen it:

https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2...-vaccine-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-better-way/

From the article:
"AstraZeneca is easily the least tolerated vaccine, Moderna is next, and Pfizer has the least amount of complaints. (This generally tracks with what Health Rising’s polls have found.)"