Anyone had the 2nd AstraZenica jab after a bad experience with the first? (and what was the effect?)

[Guwop2]

Hi,
I had the Astra Zenica jab nearly 6 weeks ago and it has turned me from someone able to go running and work out at home 3-4 times a week, to someone who cannot walk to the highstreet and back without getting PEM. It's possible that im making an extrememly slow recovery, but it is hard to tell - things may not be changing at all. Has anyone had a bad reaction to dose 1 of the AZ vaccine and has not not been scared-off of getting dose 2? If so, what were the effects of dose 2 for you? - Im trying to decide what to do. Ive heard if i now cought covid it wouldnt be lethal, or even bad, since one dose mitigates the worse effects of it...but i dont know if this is true. I tried calling the official 'helpline' of 111 and 119 here in the U.K, but as predicted they were supremely useless and couldnt offer any help or advice. Considered speaking to my GP about it, but then remembered that he's a moron, so came here instead.
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[Rufous McKinney]

Has anyone had a bad reaction to dose 1 of the AZ vaccine and has not not been scared off getting dose 2?

I thought AZ is a one shot vaccine, similar to J and J?

We were: going down today to get vaccinated. And here we are- my husband personally canceled the plan around 5 am and went off to read online about vaccine side effects.

Oh great.

 

[Guwop2]

I thought AZ is a one shot vaccine, similar to J and J?

No, it's 2 doses spaced 4+ weeks apart. Some people have been ok - small negative effects - others havent.

Here is a small bit of info on negative effects for M.E peeps, but really not enough to make an informed decision by. Says about 10% of ME people have reported negative reaction.

 

[Booble]

I've heard that for immune problem people the first dose is actually the worst not the second, but that is just anecdotal.

 

[andyguitar]

Ive heard if i now cought covid it wouldnt be lethal, or even bad, since one dose mitigates the worse effects of it...but i dont know if this is true.

One dose only provides about 33% protection against the Indian variant of Corona virus. This is now the dominant strain here in the UK. But it seems probable one dose might protect against serious illness. There is a very big push now to get as many people as possible their second jab. 33% protection is pretty low.

 

[Guwop2]

ut it seems probable one dose might protect against serious illness.

This is what I would like to know more about.

 

[andyguitar]

The problem we have at the moment is that the high levels of the Indian variant is fairly new. So there is not enough data yet to say for certain that one dose will protect you from serious illness if you get infected with that variant. This is why the Government has still not decided if we will be ending lockdown totally on June 21st. Scientific opinion is divided, some say we should wait a few weeks to see if hospital admissions rise along with infection rates (which are going up by about 25%-30% a week) others say there is nothing to worry about. Sorry it's not very clear but thats science for you!

 

[Guwop2]

Cheers for the explanation, good to have some sort of timeline.

 

[Bobby Peru]

Sorry to hear that. I have no experience with the COVID vaccine, but I have had the very questionable and needless Anthrax vaccine.
Prior to your vaccination, how would you describe the CFS that you have? It is encouraging to hear someone reached a level of physical activity that you describe.

 

[Guwop2]

Sorry to hear that. I have no experience with the COVID vaccine, but I have had the very questionable and needless Anthrax vaccine.
Prior to your vaccination, how would you describe the CFS that you have? It is encouraging to hear someone reached a level of physical activity that you describe.

I would say i had mild M.E prior to the jab, but only through trial and error with diet that took me about 5 years to refine. I would say if i wasnt on probiotics and didnt stick to a very strict diet of zero carbs/sugar - essentially i only eat fish, chicken, eggs, goats cheese, nuts and green vegetable (literally nothing else, no sugar at all - I dont even eat fruit - only lemons/limes) - then I would be moderate. If i stop taking probiotics and stick to the diet I would be moderate too. I live in London and also believe that if I lived where the air was clean I'd probably improve even more.

 

[L'engle]

From what they are saying on the news here in Canada, people who got the first shot of Astra Zeneca are actually getting a better immune response from having the second dose as Pfizer, as compared to a second dose of AZ.

I live in London and also believe that if I lived where the air was clean I'd probably improve even more.

Spent some time in London in the early part of my illness. Certainly found the air quality didn't help how I felt.

 

[L'engle]

We were: going down today to get vaccinated. And here we are- my husband personally canceled the plan around 5 am and went off to read online about vaccine side effects.

Oh great.

Oh no. Sorry to hear you got postponed again. How maddening to have it still hanging over you.

 

[godlovesatrier]

My first dose was 10 weeks ago I think. Anyway I had my second on Thursday at 5pm. I've only had very bad muscle pain so far. I also began to feel unwell with muscle fatigue about 5pm today too. But that's it so far. Just normal vaccine stuff really head pressure in the nasal area.

But as I've been on the herpes veridai protocol for 4 weeks now it is also possible my body simply deals with the fallout way better than it ever did before. Considering my physical fatigue was completely blocked for 5 days preceding the 2nd jab I think the effects of the 2nd probably would have been much worse if I had not been on the protocol and feeling that good.

I've still got my typical immune response though. Dry mouth that's very hard to quench. Thankfully this seems like a thing of the past 2 weeks into the protocol thank god.

I had az.

 

[Guwop2]

From what they are saying on the news here in Canada, people who got the first shot of Astra Zeneca are actually getting a better immune response from having the second dose as Pfizer, as compared to a second dose of AZ.

Interesing, but it now seems like having any of the vaccines is playing roulette with your exisiting health levels because people with M.E probably all respond differently depending on the way their unique version of M.E functions (not having the vaccine is also playing roulette of course). There is literally no way of knowing from one person to the next. I'm currently in bed, which ive not had to do for years, and have cancelled a coding education porgramme i was about to embark on to get back into work/normal life. It's a damn shame to say the least. However, who's to say how long this relapse will last and understanding that may be the key to working if the second dose is worth the sufferring for me.

 

[godlovesatrier]

Must be my 4th day now. I've had headache (mild) in the sinuses, neck stiffness and inflammation, glands of the neck and lymph nodes swollen and stiff. No recurrence of my cranial cervical junction inflammation though, which is great. The immune response made me fairly giddy the second time just as it did the first time, I was high as a kite the first evening and then the second morning, until the afternoon when I just felt quite sick.

But supported by the herpes veridai protocol I've been able to function fairly normally since Saturday morning. But today is certainly better for feeling "crappy" than yesterday.

It's also made me grumpy, a bit depressed and anxious, having annoying thoughts which I wouldn't normally have. Partly to do with feeling a bit "high" I reckon.

As the UK govt don't mix and match - you get the same vaccine twice.

My gf had the pfizer twice, not too sure how that happened but it did, maybe because she's female and has migraines they didn't want to run the risk?
I had the AZ vaccine twice.

 

[L'engle]

Interesing, but it now seems like having any of the vaccines is playing roulette with your exisiting health levels because people with M.E probably all respond differently depending on the way their unique version of M.E functions (not having the vaccine is also playing roulette of course).

Yes, sadly we have to take a risk either way, with a higher chance of bad consequence than for healthy people no matter what we do. Sorry you are having such a bad time, I would have been reluctant to get the AZ too.

 

[Guwop2]

Yes, sadly we have to take a risk either way, with a higher chance of bad consequence than for healthy people no matter what we do. Sorry you are having such a bad time, I would have been reluctant to get the AZ too.

Is there any reason why pfizer would have been a safer option?

 

[L'engle]

The mRNA vaccines seem to be having a lower level of severe side effects for ME patients than the AZ. The blogs on Health Rising show a poll for comparing the side effects of the different vaccines. More patients did worse with the AZ than Pfizer or Moderna. Another article on Health Rising gives the advice of various ME specialists. Some of them advocated getting any vaccine you can while others recommended getting an mRNA one if possible.

Of my healthy family members, none had much in the way of side effects from Pfizer or Moderna, but the two who got AZ were both sick for part of a day following (despite being in good health). Obviously different for people with ME, still.

 

[Guwop2]

oh, pity i didnt see the poll. I made a post asking this question some months ago and the consensus (amongst those who responded) was that either vaccines were fine/equally risky

dont suppose you could possibly link to the poll? i couldnt find it

 

[L'engle]

https://www.healthrising.org/blog/2...ffects-chronic-fatigue-syndrome-fibromyalgia/

If you want to see the results without filling it out scroll down to the bottom of the questions and there is a 'view results' icon.

As for why the vaccine types are different, mRNA is just sending in the instructions for how to build the things the immune system will fight, rather than sending those things in themselves. So the immune system is under a less sudden attack than with conventional vaccines. (Sorry if you already know this but thought I would add it in)

If you are still doing so badly after the first shot though I could see waiting a while for the second. It would be hard for me to make myself get a second one if I reacted badly to the first, but I don't live in a high risk area. London seems like a scary place to be right now.