Adverse effects of Cannabis.

[andyguitar]

Full paper is behind paywall. Here's a bit to consider.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Here's a bit to consider.

Everything can have adverse effects at some scale, somewhere or another. Its foolish to view things as: harmless, without fully evaluating the pros and cons of this and that.

Meanwhile water isn't harmless.

Since THC and CBD have medicinal qualities: this means they have effects on the body. So- wake up, grow up and be responsible about decisions regarding the body, and keeping it going.


So this should be part of education in the dept of health.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Full paper is behind paywal

there seem to be any number of papers published via this site which cannot really be read or the authors identified. (without going forth and investigating it all elsewhere)

These sound like alot of anecdotal type observations, and where are these researchers?

I understand pay walls, but it really limits the value of this info.

 

[andyguitar]

Effect of cannabis on microcirculation.

 

[Sledgehammer]

If accurate and true, this research will only fall on deaf ears. Too much money is at stake like the tobacco and alcohol industry.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Too much money is at stake like the tobacco and alcohol industry.

I think people need to be well informed, and weigh the varied pros and cons of - well most things come with pros and cons. Obviously most 14 year olds aren't in a position to do such weighing.

I know that I get extreme nausea. and that the only medication they seem to have causes debilitating effects on the intestines. Hence: I cannot use the pharmaceutical. It is causing dangerous issues in my body.

So my doctor and I have conferred and these are choices we make.

 

[Sledgehammer]

I think people need to be well informed, and weigh the varied pros and cons of - well most things come with pros and cons. Obviously most 14 year olds aren't in a position to do such weighing.

I know that I get extreme nausea. and that the only medication they seem to have causes debilitating effects on the intestines. Hence: I cannot use the pharmaceutical. It is causing dangerous issues in my body.

So my doctor and I have conferred and these are choices we make.

I agree but I can't see people taking a blind bit of notice. It's the same with booze and tobacco warnings.
People know the dangers.

Me, I tried the CBD oil and it did nothing. No relief whatsoever, so that's me off and hemp related remedies for good.

 

[percyval577]

Everything can have adverse effects at some scale, somewhere or another. Its foolish to view things as: harmless, without fully evaluating the pros and cons of this and that.

Can´t agree more.

Marijuana was actually forbidden, if I am not wrong, b/c the alcohol industry had their influence on politics. This was in the US. Europe then simply copied it.

So this was done without good reasoning. It would be better to make weed freely available, ppl could switch and maybe less harm would occur. (Also I am a free man, and if I wanted to drink a beer, I can´t see why I should be forbidden it.)

 

[andyguitar]

I agree but I can't see people taking a blind bit of notice. It's the same with booze and tobacco warnings.
People know the dangers.

Yeah with booze and tobacco most are aware of what can happen. But I doubt that many know about the possible harm cannabis can do to the circulatory system. Having read up on some recent research it looks pretty risky for anyone with circulatory disorders.

 

[andyguitar]

Here's a chart which is pretty alarming.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Me, I tried the CBD oil

topical CBD has helped me alot.

Calms inflammed nerves, veins, jaw, teeth

Lowers swelling where applied.

I'm working on- some skin issues with CBD topical right now.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Odd thing is he can operate like an everyday person

thats a thing, there are some people who are hardly affected or seem to operate better. Its very odd, as people vary so much.

It might almost be like how folks with ADHD can take Ritalin and be calmer, but for the rest, its the opposite effect.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

if I wanted to drink a beer, I can´t see why I should be forbidden it.)

we do seem to treat grown ups as- well tiny children.

we are forever trying to somehow protect Dumb and Dumber.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Full paper is behind paywall

Do any of these studies actually identify any actual numbers here?

Its hard for me to read alot of papers, but I'll try.

What is the potential for these adverse "side effects" if we want to call them that? Things that were availalbe for me to read lack any actual specific data and sound very "preliminary", speculative, "modest"...?

 

[andyguitar]

Do any of these studies actually identify any actual numbers here?

The only way you could get reliable numbers for adverse reactions would be to do a clinical trial that looked for the rate of adverse reactions of cannabis. I doubt that it would be legal to give someone a potentially harmful substance to see what happens. But I've seen enough now to convince me it's bad stuff. Never used it myself anyway.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

I doubt that it would be legal to give someone a potentially harmful substance to see what happens. But I've seen enough now to convince me it's bad stuff. Never used it myself anyway.

thats not entirely different from suspending Astro Zeneca due to 30 blood clots.

But it does not sound right for you. So thats what you need to determine for yourself.

 

[andyguitar]

thats not entirely different from suspending Astro Zeneca due to 30 blood clots.

Sure but are any of the sellers of cannabis going to put a warning on it saying "Can cause heart attack, stroke and circulatory disorders"? Now that it has been legalised in some US states they should.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Can cause heart attack, stroke and circulatory disorders"? Now that it has been legalised in some US states they should.

well, I can only testify to conditions in my state.

Legal product is covered in extensive warning labels.

like-

"May Be Harmful" is listed in english.
"Please use extreme caution"

Other health warnings included. It covers about half the side of the jar here.

Plus: our state label for Prop 65 (that something that could cause cancer or reproductive harm)....a state disclosure requirement.

Then unlike most every source of herbs that exist commercially (except for the good brands of chinese herbs)- its extensively tested and must not harbor residual pesticides, metals etc.

 

[Sledgehammer]

Yeah with booze and tobacco most are aware of what can happen. But I doubt that many know about the possible harm cannabis can do to the circulatory system. Having read up on some recent research it looks pretty risky for anyone with circulatory disorders.

Add tobbaco to the already toxic stuff (Skunk) and it's only a matter of time before you develop problems I can imagine.

A big issue is the current state of the world, and with that people's attitudes change. Instead of hitting the bottle or hard drugs many think smoking Cannabis is a cheaper way to escape what they see as a futureless miserable life. "But what about your children I've asked" All I got was a shrug of the shoulders.

 

[Abrin]

The only way you could get reliable numbers for adverse reactions would be to do a clinical trial that looked for the rate of adverse reactions of cannabis. I doubt that it would be legal to give someone a potentially harmful substance to see what happens. But I've seen enough now to convince me it's bad stuff. Never used it myself anyway.

The whole country of Canada is pretty much a clinical trial right now since it is legalized here.