Adrenals and probiotics relation
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Yes, I think it is due to the immunostimulation effect of any probx.
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yup, that is my problem...
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It seems as thought HPA-axis issues must be resolved first before other things can be. Even Chris Kresser believes this.
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Gondwanaland, I'm getting a bad crash on a probiotic at the moment (customprobiotics d-lactate-free). If it's due to immunostimulation, should it pass with time?
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It is more likely due to histamine-lowering effect.
No effects I had from probx were permanent - neither good or bad. The one that lasted longer (about 1 month) was C. butyricum (bad: joint pain, reduced motility, lowered energy) and I took 1 pill 1x or 2x only.
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Did non-histamine-lowering probiotics not induce the same kind of 'crash' in you? Do you have a list of strains which *do* lower histamine? There were a couple of others on my list I was thinking of experimenting with if this one doesn't help, but I'm not sure if they would make me worse too.
I´m not Gondwanaland, but this probiotic is with minimal count of histamine and lactate: http://fixyourgut.com/gutpro-recomended-probiotic/ and without prebiotics
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The one I'm taking is low-histamine/lactate. The problem, according to Gondwanaland, is that some of the strains *lower* histamine levels further, which can cause problems.
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the lists in this thread are helpful
I don't intend taking histamine-lowering strains only again. I do need histamine for getting up in the morning, for good mood and for gut motility.
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Hi Gondwana, do you know much about Saccharomyces_boulardii?
According to the wiki page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccharomyces_boulardii), it shouldn't be taken by immunocompromised patients, so do you know if it's safe to trial with CFS?
I took one capsule before bed last night. Interestingly, I got strong acute reactions to probiotics -- I have a lot of very severe anxiety that almost borders on psychosis sometimes (derealization, cognitive inflexibility, irrational fear etc.). When I woke up today, I felt calmer than in a long time and it's like my thinking becomes more normal/flexible again -- I feel like all the excessive adrenaline is being turned down. There is also worsened fatigue etc. but I don't feel 'sick' and inflamed the way I did on the D-Lactate-Free probiotic.
Do you believe it would be safe to keep trialing it?
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My only positive experience with it was the 1st time I took it. It felt like it lowered histamines in a good way (pretty much like you described). Subsequent times felt like it lowered histamine too much. So my advice based on that would be to take it once in a blue moon.
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Yeah, interestingly enough, I got hit by the same low-histamine symptoms today (day#2) -- constipated, and couldn't get out of bed.
Do you find that there's a relationship between histamine and 'adrenal fatigue' for you? i.e. does lowering/raising histamine affect your adrenals?
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Sorry, I don't have thoughts about that at the moment.