Abilify- Stanford Clinic Patients

Hoosierfans

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Wooo hoooo @leokitten!!! That is so awesome to hear and must feel so good! Please keep us updated!

Remind me, are you taking any other neuro / anti-inflammatory meds along w the Abilify?
 

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Hppd. Its an unrelated condition. I took it one time and it was great, really lowered inflam. But really triggered my hppd.

I’m hoping that the drug omf is supposedly developing wont trigger my hppd and will have the same effect as abilify. Athough i can’t remember if that is official yet or not. Its hard to
Keep track sometimes! I know it wasn’t mentioned in their last update, but i know whitney said they are doing more they arent talking about. I think ron might have mentioned wanting to do it.
 

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I can't take it either, my GP has refused to allow me to use it. Got to love the NHS, they will happily send me for GET and CBT and ply me full of SSRI's but basically the only drug shown to help my condition in a trial and nothing but dismissal and refusal. But after the incident with my vaccine request where they pulled my diagnosis back to a theory (which may impact disability payments and makes working with other medical professionals much harder as its back to unknown 50 symptom disease) that refusal didn't come as a surprise, its just prejudice.
 

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Is Etoricoxib increasing Abilifys Serum levels similar to Celecoxib?

Aripiprazole is metabolized primarily by CYP2D6 and CYP3A4. Celecoxib is metabolized (predominantly) by CYP2C9 and also inhibits CYP2D6 (potentially increasing Abilify concentration). Etoricoxib is metabolized (predominantly) by CYP3A4 but is only a very weak inhibitor of CYP2D6. Drug interaction checkers say coadministration can increase Abilify plasma concentration, but hard to tell how it compares to celecoxib's effect.
 

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I can't take it either, my GP has refused to allow me to use it. Got to love the NHS, they will happily send me for GET and CBT and ply me full of SSRI's but basically the only drug shown to help my condition in a trial and nothing but dismissal and refusal. But after the incident with my vaccine request where they pulled my diagnosis back to a theory (which may impact disability payments and makes working with other medical professionals much harder as its back to unknown 50 symptom disease) that refusal didn't come as a surprise, its just prejudice.
just get it off online pharmacies. I did the same.
https://www.buy-pharma.md/Asprito-Aripiprazole-p-4964.html has the 2mg tablets for example. You can dillute these in water and start with 0.2mg.
 

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just get it off online pharmacies. I did the same.
https://www.buy-pharma.md/Asprito-Aripiprazole-p-4964.html has the 2mg tablets for example. You can dillute these in water and start with 0.2mg.

Try https://goldpharma.com/

Not sure if they ship to UK but you can get the 1 mg/ml oral solution to dose exactly to your needs (dropper gets down to 0.25 mg)

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Hip

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Just some thoughts relayed to me by @Hoosierfans regarding why Abilify might stop working:

Dose level of Abilify and amisulpride is important, as these compounds in effect act as completely different drugs at high doses levels, compared to low dose levels.

At low dose levels, these drugs boost the dopamine system; but at higher doses, they go into reverse, and start to inhibit the dopamine system. See this post.


Since we are using a low-dose regimen to treat ME/CFS, presumably the benefits for ME/CFS come from a dopamine boost. So you would want to be careful not to take too much of the drug, and turn that dopamine boost into a dopamine block.

It may be that because of the long 3-day half life of Abilify, this can throw your dosing out. You may slowly increase your Abilify dose until you find what you think is the optimum level, based on observing ameliorations in ME/CFS symptoms.

But because it takes 12 to 15 days for Abilify blood levels to reach their steady state peak (when dosing any drug it always takes 4 or 5 half lives to reach steady state), two weeks later, Abilify blood levels may have gone too high, and you may now inadvertently be at a dose level where Abilify starts to block dopamine.

So this might explain why some people observe Abilify stops working for them.

If this is the case, then the solution would be to lower your dose a bit.


The metabolite of aripiprazole is dehydroaripiprazole, which is also active. This has an even longer half-life of nearly 4 days. Ref: here. So dehydroaripiprazole will not reach steady state until 16 to 20 days of regular Abilify dosing.



Optimum dose levels are going to be different from one person to the next, because drug pharmacokinetics will be different in each individual: even when given the same dose, different people will attain different blood concentrations of the drug, depending on factors such as body weight, and the speed of liver detoxification.
 
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I’m hoping that the drug omf is supposedly developing

From my understanding of what Ron Davies said, its a drug already in use, although if that's not the case, great. If it is a drug already in use, it could turn out that some have already stumbled across it and tried it, maybe without great success?
 

Hoosierfans

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Wow that is some clever thinking. Thanks for sharing.

Although @Hip credited me, I can’t take credit for the theory — it was a patient on the FB Abilify group who noticed that Abilify had reduced effect after several months, but immediately when she noticed that she REDUCED her dose, and about 3 weeks later she regained her gains. So she came up with this theory. She’s stayed at that lower dosage and maintained all her gains.
 

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Although @Hip credited me, I can’t take credit for the theory — it was a patient on the FB Abilify group who noticed that Abilify had reduced effect after several months, but immediately when she noticed that she REDUCED her dose, and about 3 weeks later she regained her gains. So she came up with this theory. She’s stayed at that lower dosage and maintained all her gains.
More evidence that dopaminergic increase is what mediates symptom improvement. We desperately need more research into a possible neurological basis for me/cfs.
 

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Elsewhere @Hoosierfans suggested this:
the other thought I had (but again I don’t know the pathways well enough).... I wonder if folks are running out of dopamine precursors bc they are making so much dopamine? Or something that recycles dopamine? Like precursor amino acids? Or BH4?

My reply:

I am not sure how feasible the idea of running out of dopamine is, but it might be plausible. When you increase dopamine levels, the usual problem is the downregulation of dopamine receptors, which is the body's normal response to compensate for excessive dopamine levels.

So it could be that receptor populations become diminished over time when on Abilify. If so, one solution might be supplements or drugs which increase dopamine D2 and D3 receptor populations, such as those dopamine receptor boosters listed at the bottom of this post. Something like uridine and/or amantadine might be effective for up-regulating dopamine receptor populations.

If anyone wants to experiment with dopamine precursors, find 3 mg of manganese daily, which is a dopamine precursor, noticeable improves mood and enthusiasm a bit. There are several dopamine precursors (tyrosine, B6, vit C, folic acid, zinc, copper, magnesium and iron), but manganese is the only one I have found which has a noticeable effect.

You can also look into MAO inhibitor drugs like moclobemide, which prevent the breakdown of dopamine, thus prolonging the life of dopamine. And there is the Russian drug bromantane which works by up-regulating expression of the enzymes which create dopamine, though I don't know how effective it is.
 
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Hoosierfans

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Let me correct my post above...this individual noticed decreased affect about 3 weeks into Abilify treatment (over those 3 weeks she worked up to 2 mg). She went down to 1 mg EVERY OTHER DAY and by that dosing regained her gains and is maintaining them.
 

Hoosierfans

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You can also look into MAO inhibitor drugs like moclobemide, which prevent the breakdown of dopamine, thus prolonging the life of dopamine. And there is the Russian drug bromantane which works by up-regulating expression of the enzymes which create dopamine, though I don't know how effective it is.

Just noticed that @leokitten is on moclobemide. Interesting....
 

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@Treeman honestly cant remember. The reason i thought this was because whitney said ron couldnt talk about his most promising research and he talked about abilify, and he said a treatment might come this year. But that could be abilify, just doesnt fit that statement. All guessing from me though.

@Hoosierfans thats interesting, i hope
If you start soon you see improvements.

@S-VV yes i agree. Looks like there is some movement there in cfs and i think covid is seeing some of that too. My dads coworkers daughter got invited to mayo, and i think they are doing some kind of study of covid folks. I know mayo is bad for cfs, at least their neuro departments i think i heard, but i find this a hit encouraging. It was really sad my dads coworker lost 2 students to covid recently.

@Hip i find this surprising there hasn’t been some decent experimentation with many of these drugs. But maybe if abilify keeps working we will.
 
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