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I’ve thought of doing this post for a long time but have hesitated because of the negative or, more often, non-response I receive when I mention muscle testing. But then I thought, what the heck - it might help someone, so here it is.
But first, please don’t ask me for “proof” that MT works or to provide a scientific explanation fo how it works. I’ve provided possible explanations before and they’ve never been accepted. I have some ideas but don’t know for certain how it works; I have nothing that would be considered “proof” by scientists - all I know is it has been amazingly effective for me.
There are no clinical trials proving the efficacy of muscle testing (like so very many therapies mentioned on this board). Someone asked me once if I would rely on MT for an AIDS diagnosis. No, I wouldn’t. As with all medical care, you have to educate yourself to keep from being harmed and to proceed intelligently. If MT indicated I should swallow arsenic, well, I wouldn’t - there’d obviously be something wrong there. (Though it never has suggested something harmful for me.)
Muscle testing has been invaluable in helping me navigate the bewildering journey with ME/CFS. It’s helped me countless times in figuring out what the heck was going on (was I herxing, detoxing and/or sick, did my cortisol go too low, was I deficient in something, or taking too much of something or not enough, etc. etc. etc.). It’s helped identity several problems - adrenal issues, several digestive issues (including toxic liver, inflamed gallbladder, stuck ileocecal valve, detoxing problems) and even helped find remedies for all of these.
It has limitations of course - it hasn’t been able to solve the riddle of PEM, and found no easy solution for intractable insomnia, though it has been very helpful in checking the numerous things I have tried for PEM and insomnia.
It’s been especially invaluable in determining what supplements are good for me and in what doses, and which ones to avoid. I don’t think I would be where I am today, healthwise, without it.
It has been a slow and often very difficult journey to get to where I am. Eleven years ago I had 1 or 2 “good” days a month - a “good” day was one on which I wasn’t sick, crashed or detoxing or just feeling like s**t for unknown reasons though I was still limited to 3-1/2 to 4 hours of light activity in order to avoid PEM. Now I often have a couple of good days a week, though my activity threshold remains the same. I have to remind myself how bad it was before because overall I feel so much better. My PEM recovery time has been more than cut in half, I recover much quicker from being sick, sleep is starting to get manageable, my overall energy is better, I no longer detox at the drop of a hat, chronic low potassium issues are being successfully dealt with, and my digestion is pretty good.
This is due to several things, most notably getting detoxing pathways working properly and numerous supplements. And I don’t think I could have gotten through the detoxing nor determined what were the proper supplements for me, and in what doses, without muscle testing providing light along the way. It would have been too hard, just plunging blindly ahead.
If I reacted badly to something, without MT I had no way of knowing why. On a couple of occasions the bad reaction was caused by refeeding syndrome - I actually needed the things which were making me feel like crap - but they created a deficiency in other things. And it would have been quite difficult for me to sort this out without MT. e.g., taking thiamine gave me a really nice boost in energy, only to wipe me out a day or 2 later. WTH? Because MT indicated the thiamine was good for me. Well, because I had done reading about refeeding syndrome, plus experienced something similar when I started taking methylfolate which caused my potassium to tank, I suspected the thiamine was depleting something. But what? It felt different than when my potassium was depleted.
I'd read about hypophosphatemia as the hallmark of refeeding syndrome and so I read about phosphorous sources and tested them, and tested very strong for them. So I drank several glasses of kefir and sure enough, within a few hours my energy started to come back and I was able to keep taking thiamin, which I badly wanted to do.
I’ve seen several chiropractors who do MT, and most have been good, though there was one who didn’t know what he was doing (like many MDs!) And over the years I’ve developed my own technique I use on my self and other people, albeit very carefully. And I still see my chiropractor not infrequently to see if his testing agrees with mine, and most often they are in accord.
There are lots of videos about MT on youtube, but I don’t recommend people do MT themselves without first having it done by someone knowledgeable. There are things you need to learn, such as keeping your mind blank or as neutral as possible when doing the testing. Your mental state can affect the outcome of the testing. If you badly want (or don’t want) a particular result, you may not get an impartial result.
Also - don’t misunderstand - I’m NOT saying don’t get blood work done or don’t see your doctor. But I am suggesting when your doctor reaches a dead end and your blood work is always normal and no one knows what to do, you might give MT a try.
15 years ago I had dull pain in my lower right side, plus I felt fluish and sick. I went to my MD. He did a barium enema (fun!), found nothing and sent me home. I still felt sick. I then saw my chiropractor and within a few minutes he found that my ileocecal valve was stuck and shit was literally backing up in my body, making me feel sick. He pressed gently on the area in question and using MT determined when the valve was closed again, and within a few hours the symptoms abated. The symptoms did return a day or 2 or 3 later, and I learned to press on my side myself. I was under severe stress at the time and when the stressor was finally removed, this stopped happening to me. This same chiropractor later helped me when my adrenals were badly stressed, when gallbladder was inflamed and my liver was in bad shape, overloaded with toxins, among many other things.
No one can successfully perform muscle testing on another without their consent. It’s like hypnosis in that respect. If someone is determined not to be hypnotized, they won’t be, no matter how skillful the hypnotist. I recently was doing MT on someone to see if a particular supplement would be beneficial for them. As an initial test, I had her say a true statement and then test, and then a false statement and then test. And her arm stayed strong after the false statement. When questioned, she admitted she had felt her arm start to go weak after the false statement, so she had deliberately resisted and kept her arm strong when it started to go weak. So MT can’t be forced on anyone - they have to be willing for it to work, just like with hypnosis. It’s not a contest of strength.
A good thing about MT is it’s relatively cheap - the initial visit might be $150 or very often less and follow ups are generally the cost of a chiropractic adjustment.
BTW, I didn’t “believe” in MT when I first had it done. I had been sick for some 7 years then (but before I started crashing). MDs had been helpless, muttered things about EBV and sent me home. This was around 1993. I stumbled across a chiropractor who did MT (I’d never even heard of MT before), I had nothing to lose, apart from $50, and am so glad I gave it a chance. I would have tried anything if it wasn’t too expensive and wasn’t toxic or harmful, and MT is none of these. In the first visit the chiropractor found a couple of digestive issues undetected by doctors (and I knew so little about my body at that time I didn’t have a clue what was going on - I know a lot more now and can usually figure out these things). He gave me a couple of things by Standard Process and within a few days I started to feel better. He helped me more than all the previous 7 years of seeing Mds in that one visit. Later he found my weak adrenals and many other things.
To find a practitioner, I’d suggest either calling chiropractic offices and just ask them. Or go to the Standard Process website which has a search feature for practitioners who use their products (most often chiropractors).
And, for people who are too weak to be tested themselves, there is a technique using surrogate testing. PM me if you’d like more info on this. (I’ve had it done and it worked)
But first, please don’t ask me for “proof” that MT works or to provide a scientific explanation fo how it works. I’ve provided possible explanations before and they’ve never been accepted. I have some ideas but don’t know for certain how it works; I have nothing that would be considered “proof” by scientists - all I know is it has been amazingly effective for me.
There are no clinical trials proving the efficacy of muscle testing (like so very many therapies mentioned on this board). Someone asked me once if I would rely on MT for an AIDS diagnosis. No, I wouldn’t. As with all medical care, you have to educate yourself to keep from being harmed and to proceed intelligently. If MT indicated I should swallow arsenic, well, I wouldn’t - there’d obviously be something wrong there. (Though it never has suggested something harmful for me.)
Muscle testing has been invaluable in helping me navigate the bewildering journey with ME/CFS. It’s helped me countless times in figuring out what the heck was going on (was I herxing, detoxing and/or sick, did my cortisol go too low, was I deficient in something, or taking too much of something or not enough, etc. etc. etc.). It’s helped identity several problems - adrenal issues, several digestive issues (including toxic liver, inflamed gallbladder, stuck ileocecal valve, detoxing problems) and even helped find remedies for all of these.
It has limitations of course - it hasn’t been able to solve the riddle of PEM, and found no easy solution for intractable insomnia, though it has been very helpful in checking the numerous things I have tried for PEM and insomnia.
It’s been especially invaluable in determining what supplements are good for me and in what doses, and which ones to avoid. I don’t think I would be where I am today, healthwise, without it.
It has been a slow and often very difficult journey to get to where I am. Eleven years ago I had 1 or 2 “good” days a month - a “good” day was one on which I wasn’t sick, crashed or detoxing or just feeling like s**t for unknown reasons though I was still limited to 3-1/2 to 4 hours of light activity in order to avoid PEM. Now I often have a couple of good days a week, though my activity threshold remains the same. I have to remind myself how bad it was before because overall I feel so much better. My PEM recovery time has been more than cut in half, I recover much quicker from being sick, sleep is starting to get manageable, my overall energy is better, I no longer detox at the drop of a hat, chronic low potassium issues are being successfully dealt with, and my digestion is pretty good.
This is due to several things, most notably getting detoxing pathways working properly and numerous supplements. And I don’t think I could have gotten through the detoxing nor determined what were the proper supplements for me, and in what doses, without muscle testing providing light along the way. It would have been too hard, just plunging blindly ahead.
If I reacted badly to something, without MT I had no way of knowing why. On a couple of occasions the bad reaction was caused by refeeding syndrome - I actually needed the things which were making me feel like crap - but they created a deficiency in other things. And it would have been quite difficult for me to sort this out without MT. e.g., taking thiamine gave me a really nice boost in energy, only to wipe me out a day or 2 later. WTH? Because MT indicated the thiamine was good for me. Well, because I had done reading about refeeding syndrome, plus experienced something similar when I started taking methylfolate which caused my potassium to tank, I suspected the thiamine was depleting something. But what? It felt different than when my potassium was depleted.
I'd read about hypophosphatemia as the hallmark of refeeding syndrome and so I read about phosphorous sources and tested them, and tested very strong for them. So I drank several glasses of kefir and sure enough, within a few hours my energy started to come back and I was able to keep taking thiamin, which I badly wanted to do.
I’ve seen several chiropractors who do MT, and most have been good, though there was one who didn’t know what he was doing (like many MDs!) And over the years I’ve developed my own technique I use on my self and other people, albeit very carefully. And I still see my chiropractor not infrequently to see if his testing agrees with mine, and most often they are in accord.
There are lots of videos about MT on youtube, but I don’t recommend people do MT themselves without first having it done by someone knowledgeable. There are things you need to learn, such as keeping your mind blank or as neutral as possible when doing the testing. Your mental state can affect the outcome of the testing. If you badly want (or don’t want) a particular result, you may not get an impartial result.
Also - don’t misunderstand - I’m NOT saying don’t get blood work done or don’t see your doctor. But I am suggesting when your doctor reaches a dead end and your blood work is always normal and no one knows what to do, you might give MT a try.
15 years ago I had dull pain in my lower right side, plus I felt fluish and sick. I went to my MD. He did a barium enema (fun!), found nothing and sent me home. I still felt sick. I then saw my chiropractor and within a few minutes he found that my ileocecal valve was stuck and shit was literally backing up in my body, making me feel sick. He pressed gently on the area in question and using MT determined when the valve was closed again, and within a few hours the symptoms abated. The symptoms did return a day or 2 or 3 later, and I learned to press on my side myself. I was under severe stress at the time and when the stressor was finally removed, this stopped happening to me. This same chiropractor later helped me when my adrenals were badly stressed, when gallbladder was inflamed and my liver was in bad shape, overloaded with toxins, among many other things.
No one can successfully perform muscle testing on another without their consent. It’s like hypnosis in that respect. If someone is determined not to be hypnotized, they won’t be, no matter how skillful the hypnotist. I recently was doing MT on someone to see if a particular supplement would be beneficial for them. As an initial test, I had her say a true statement and then test, and then a false statement and then test. And her arm stayed strong after the false statement. When questioned, she admitted she had felt her arm start to go weak after the false statement, so she had deliberately resisted and kept her arm strong when it started to go weak. So MT can’t be forced on anyone - they have to be willing for it to work, just like with hypnosis. It’s not a contest of strength.
A good thing about MT is it’s relatively cheap - the initial visit might be $150 or very often less and follow ups are generally the cost of a chiropractic adjustment.
BTW, I didn’t “believe” in MT when I first had it done. I had been sick for some 7 years then (but before I started crashing). MDs had been helpless, muttered things about EBV and sent me home. This was around 1993. I stumbled across a chiropractor who did MT (I’d never even heard of MT before), I had nothing to lose, apart from $50, and am so glad I gave it a chance. I would have tried anything if it wasn’t too expensive and wasn’t toxic or harmful, and MT is none of these. In the first visit the chiropractor found a couple of digestive issues undetected by doctors (and I knew so little about my body at that time I didn’t have a clue what was going on - I know a lot more now and can usually figure out these things). He gave me a couple of things by Standard Process and within a few days I started to feel better. He helped me more than all the previous 7 years of seeing Mds in that one visit. Later he found my weak adrenals and many other things.
To find a practitioner, I’d suggest either calling chiropractic offices and just ask them. Or go to the Standard Process website which has a search feature for practitioners who use their products (most often chiropractors).
And, for people who are too weak to be tested themselves, there is a technique using surrogate testing. PM me if you’d like more info on this. (I’ve had it done and it worked)