Wht do we have to supplement that which is already in our multi vitamin?

[triffid113]

So in some thread somewhere way back in time, someone asked regarding the Freddd protocol and zinc,
why we should have to supplement that which is already in our multi vitamins?

I have often resentfully thought of this, but find that if I do not take mega doses of many things, I have symptoms of deficiency. I recently took a blood test for progesterone and found I am only digesting 25% of a 100 mg pill. So there are those, like me who do not make enough stomach acid.

But I just ran across this in an article and it struck home:

Never Take Vitamin C and Zinc Together, Public Health Expert Explains Why​

Swati Bathwal, Public Health Expert, Dietitian and Diabetes Educator explains, Zinc is supported by virologists... When it is bind with binders like citric acid, mannitol, sorbitol, it binds the zinc ions in such a way that it doesn't release zinc ions. So, if you are consuming zinc avoid having citric acid and in your multivitamin check if it has mannitol or any other binders mentioned above. it gets best absorbed with gluconate and acetate.

I had to learn this the hard way as taking zinc with my multi gave me terrible stomach aches, but not taking additional zinc gave me deficiency symptoms. Now I take my Zinc w/o Vitamin C or Calcium and it is no problem (even if I drink kombucha with it to boost my stomach acidity). I have also read that you cannot take astaxanthin with one of the B vitamins, I think B12, or it deactivates it. So... multi vitamins are a good idea but... not everything can be safely put together.

 

[triffid113]

Some other interactions:
Calcium with other minerals

Calcium is an important mineral for bone health. Taking a calcium supplement can affect how your body absorbs other minerals including zinc, magnesium, or iron. If you take any combination of these supplements, talk to your doctor about the best timing for maximum absorption of each mineral.

Copper and zinc compete for absorption in your digestive system when taken at the same time. So, if you take copper and zinc together, copper has poor absorption; zinc wins. People who take a lot of zinc supplements may develop a copper deficiency.

 

[pamojja]

People who take a lot of zinc supplements may develop a copper deficiency.

Always consider such statements as vaguely speculative. There is just do much biochemical individuality, Even if a study population does show that as an average. Very few are exactly average, so the result for an individual could be that, or even the reverse.

My case as example: 15 years ago, I found I'm deficient in zinc and have excessive copper in blood-tests. 5 years later with in average 40 mg/d of elemental supplemented zinc and increasing zinc intake further, I thought it maybe wise to follow the common advice, and to balance such high zinc intake with at least 1 mg of copper.

It was a big mistake. Copper blood levels doubled from already excessive. Another 10 years later with in average 50 mg/d of elemental supplemental zinc, and no additional copper (except a tiny 400 mcg/d from multies) my blood-text show, I'm exactly where I started many years ago: zinc deficient and copper excessive.

So, if you take copper and zinc together, copper has poor absorption; zinc wins.

The opposite was the case for me. Always took together with meals.

Never Take Vitamin C and Zinc Together

Or vitamin C would raise iron absorption? Though I did take vitamin C always away from multies on empty stomach. When for this purpose, combined with iron, it didn't raise blood test iron markers even an iota.

Or vitamin C would lower copper body stores? It didn't in my case. Even in average 25 g/d of ascorbic acid for that long.

Therefore, better not to believe such common advice right away, but track with actual blood markers and adjust from there.