Toddler whose symptoms puzzled 17 doctors for three YEARS is finally diagnosed with rare condition... by ChatGPT - Daily Mail, Sept. 28, 2023

[Viala]

It would be funny if someone wrote a free app that would give better diagnoses and better advice than real doctors. We just need a hero now.

 

[hapl808]

I once saw an app for medical AI where you can get a diagnosis according to symptoms. But can´t remember where.

Maybe what @Hip linked to called Symptoma. It's free and already better than most physicians. Of course, they only compare apps to the best physician who only seems to exist in studies and not in our actual life experiences.

Will patients need to record their doctor visits to defend themself?
Will it really come to this?

Been like this for awhile I think. Doctors are not trustworthy, and the number of times they've horribly abused their position exactly because of their perceived trustworthiness…

A USC gynecologist died yesterday while awaiting (and delaying) trial for abusing over 700 of his patients, despite multiple complaints against him over decades.

https://apnews.com/article/usc-gyne...tyndall-dead-3b8b9e032d614f230a72e705c015f3d2

And that's someone who was clearly doing evil and was called out repeatedly. For doctors who think they're on the side of righteousness and whose transgressions 'align' with medical standard of care, they can do whatever they want with an absolutely clear conscience.

 

[Viala]

I can't help wondering when this technique will be available to the masses?

I think it is already technically possible, the question is will they allow it and will it be free.

Good medical AI should be free for all of us, since it's AI. It will be an interesting test for our humanity to see if they will just give it to the people, or if some small group will reap all the benefits leaving the rest of people to either be sick or pay a lot. It's like with free energy. We should all benefit from it, since eradicating diseases should be one of our goals as a species, right?

 

[hapl808]

I think it is already technically possible, the question is will they allow it and will it be free.

GPT4 is $20 per month, and Symptoma is free. I would say the combination of those two things are, at the very least, an invaluable second opinion.

 

[Viala]

GPT4 is $20 per month, and Symptoma is free. I would say the combination of those two things are, at the very least, an invaluable second opinion.

I think I've seen a thread about it here, did they give any helpful advice about CFS?

 

[hapl808]

I think I've seen a thread about it here, did they give any helpful advice about CFS?

Personally I've found it very helpful. I use it for a myriad of ME/CFS related things.

If there's a new research paper, sometimes I don't have the cognitive ability to read through it and I'll have GPT4 read it and give me a summary of relevant aspects. Then I can ask it questions about what I don't understand.

I'll often ask about specific supplements, pathways, and so forth.

Always good to keep in mind that it's not infallible, it'll make mistakes, etc. But it's great for asking questions about stuff you don't understand, etc. I keep forgetting stuff, so I have to ask it about microglial activation or endoplasmic reticulum stress or whatever.

I think people don't realize how good it is at explaining things, distilling stuff, etc. It's a terrible search engine (not what it's for), but a great teacher.

 

[lenora]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12509111/ChatGPT-diagnosis-rare-condition.html

ChatGPT successfully diagnosed 4-year-old after he saw 17 doctors over 3 years, and none of them were able to figure it out. The child had tethered cord syndrome, spina bifida occulta.

A couple of interesting side notes in the article:







For the first time I'm starting to get a little excited about the possibility of AI/ChatGPT helping us . . .

This is insane to think we've actually gone backwards in our search for a cure. I'm 76 now, but when I was a child I wore braces and casts b/c I had spina bifida. True, there is more than one kind and mine didn't break through the fetal tissue or skin. Still, there were plenty of children there whose back were exposed, couldn't walk....the usual things you would expect.

I also have a tethered spinal cord which, and I hate to say it, really hasn't give me any trouble except pain.

How can it be that all these years have passed and we were actually able to detect children that long ago? And today it takes 17 doctors over 3 years. Spina Bifida has become less and less common over the years. I suspect that testing has led to abortions.....but who knows?

Today, a simple MRI would have detected that young child's symptoms.....which leads me to wonder what they were. Very strange, indeed. Yours, Lenora

 

[Mary]

I can't help wondering when this technique will be available to the masses?

Are you talking about ChatGPT? Read the article linked in the first post above. It describes how a woman (not a doctor) was able to get a correct diagnosis for her child using ChapGPT. It's available to everyone.

 

[Goldfinch]

If only ChatGPT were able to prescribe…

I feel that I have a pretty good grasp of what’s wrong with me, and a long list of medications that I’d like to try but no Drs willing to prescribe off-label.