The surprising apparent cause of my mysterious 'CIRS' like symptoms since 2020

Tsukareta

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I detailed about this in my forum intro post and elsewhere but I got CFS suddenly in September 2015 during / just after an unusual viral infection, there was no obvious cause e.g. big changes in lifestyle or environment apart from me having a period of panic attacks and constant high anxiety and paranoia ( general anxiety disorder ) earlier that year, which was new for me. My CFS started mild then got suddenly worse around 7 to 9 months in, turning severe then very severe for no apparent reason, though I did notice strange burn like marks on side of fingers ( viral activity / autoimmunity ? ) appearing just before this began, and when it got bad a rash of dots / red rings appeared on the back of my knuckles / hands, I then experienced what felt like arthritis ( arthralgia ), had extreme light sensitivity and considerable sudden onset food sensitivity, but not allergy. Recovered to moderate after a few months and stayed that way fairly stable albeit with many repeating phases of symptoms e.g. Orthostatic Intolerance, brain fog, for 3 to 4 years.

Well since 2020 things have changed, I was in a bad stressful environment in 2020, possibly mold / bacteria exposure and worse quality food / other immune challenges . I had a sore throat that I was having trouble getting over ( seems to be a trend, whereas I rarely get/ got viral infections ), and I took antibiotics. At some point in that year buts its hard to pin down, things began to change. In 2019 I was not bad at drawing and I was improving fairly rapidly, but by 2021 this stagnated and began to feel like it was getting harder, I was getting worse. I was learning multiple skills in the period 2016 through 2019 but again in 2021 I noticed it was harder, I was struggling to improve just one skill, I didn't know why, I was unhappy. My libido and response to ( visual ) sexual stimuli seemed reduced and I was less interested in the opposite sex especially foreign women that I was previously interested in. I also had another strange symptom in late 2020 ( when I returned home ), not only was I a little more sensitive to our carpets, but I would get these episodes of extreme stomach gas production with no obvious cause, and when it happened I always felt more 'crashy' and severe-like. It wasn't uncommon for me to have a bad week where i'd dip into a psuedo severe state, have to slow things right down and recover again, but it never happened this frequently.

I was reasonably physically health in 2021, I was spending a lot of time outdoors, alone, far from populated areas, avoiding actual aerobic exercise but still quite active, I had a bad virus in late 2021 that wasn't covid, but it gave me a 40C fever, was ill for around a month. Not long after this, a month maybe, is when I started to notice more serious new issues, I sprained my wrist falling on invisible ice in the dark, and the injury seemed worse than I could explain, as if my wrist was weaker than it should have been, and slow at healing. It felt weak and sensitive for months after, then when I tried to lift something very heavy with just my left hand, a similar strain injury happened to that wrist. That spring my brother lived here and his noise stressed me out, I became suddenly hypersensitive to my bedroom and had to leave it. This had only happened to me once before, in a wooden building in my garden, and that time it seemed to be due to water damage / sudden mold growth. I developed periods of dehydration that reliably correlated with one type of PEM, and other neurological issues, strange sensations. Later last summer I had covid for the first time, but the impact seemed mild. I also had a stressful period though and it lead to me having high blood pressure and generally feeling very unwell, I suspected re-activation of parvovirus or something like that, I got over this after a few weeks and doctors did an ECG and couldn't find anything unusual going on.
I also had strange changes to my smell in 2022, with Chlorine particularly becoming unpleasant and unrecognisable.

Going into winter 2022 I was still physically doing ok, but the dehydration made travelling hard sometimes as I had to carry lots more water. Around nov / dec I started to become more sensitive to Air Fresheners / other highly perfumed strong household cleaning chems and then our laundry detergent, I could smell it from the tumble dryer downstairs and it started to keep me away with a brain that felt inflammed. My brothers tumble dryer broke down and he started bring stuff here, which made the situation worse. I became hypersensitive to the other bedroom over a few days, and had to move downstairs to the sofa. After this point I developed MCS, food intolerance / allergy like reactions, and my ( relatively good ) exercise tolerance quickly and steadily dropped to almost none. I had no clue what was going on, but after a couple of months I started researching mold, after trying to rule out MCAS. Things got really bad with my MCS and food reactions in Jan / Feb and I became reactive to the sofa I was sleeping on, old fabrics in the room, the big Samsung smart TV, my desktop PC, I removed what I could from the large room and slept on the laminate wooden flooring on a simple blanket with a new duvet that I was just about tolerant to ( but some I tried were no good, I would react a little even to polyester ). I kept the window and nearby sliding door open as much as possible so I had at least some clean air from outdoors, I basically slept right next to it. My function continued to decline into March and it was getting harder to leave the house, eating cereals seemed to give me terrible brain fog, bad enough that I started to make silly driving ( cycling ) mistakes.

I'd done the VCS test last summer and failed it, but that went no further, I read a bit of the book 'toxic'. Anyway fast forward to may / june this year, i'm living in a tent to try mold avoidance, minor to moderate improvement but nothing amazing, its not enough. I started wondering if I needed to 'detox' mycotoxins that may have built up in my body, but Dr Andrew Campbell says this is unscientific and doesn't occur ( I don't necessarily believe what he says but I thought it was important to consider ).
I'd started collecting up and trying supplements for a general purpose 'detox', i'd tried activated charcoal in March and got a big response initially, going into what felt like a 'detox' but sustained, for the first time ( liposomal glutathione only briefly caused this feeling ), I had a lot more function for a few days, but my stomach function was poor, it slowed down to the point where I was only going to the toilet once a week after taking 2 different laxatives. I was trying to get my stomach to move with forceful physical activity and I overdid it and a couple of days later I had an unpleasant food reaction to chicken, which I was previously fine with, so I stopped eating that food. I had a constant level of fatigue that felt like 'CIRS' inflammation, it was so bad that I couldn't even generate PEM because I had no peaks in my energy. I started to feel like I no longer had ME/CFS.

Anyway its been nearly 2 months since I moved into the tent in the garden and about 10 to 14 days ago I discovered some very interesting information on the internet, for whatever reason ( I cant remember ) I did a search about Candida again, which is something I always dismissed because I never had any external symptoms, i'd checked for a white tongue in recent months for example. I knew what the common symptom list was, and it wasn't enough to diagnose Candida. I did have 'bloating' ( episodes of extreme stomach gas production ), 'severe seasonal allergies' in summer 2020, and a similar reaction to traffic pollution in autumn 2022. I did sometimes have strong cravings for sugar or energy heavy / carb laiden foods but I assumed this was due to my ME/CFS. Some of my more strange issues could potentially be 'autoimmune' - I had strange stomach pains in 2021/ 2022, 2 cysts that appeared last year, weak wrists / sensitive neck etc, and a blood disorder called MGUS. I had no obvious signs of skin, nail or other fungal infections though, and no recent UTIs. One of my main issues post 2021 is dehydration, which isn't on any of these symptom lists.

Anyway, i'd spent a bunch on tests and air purifiers and supplements already and I couldn't wait for test results, doctors had been near useless so far so I ignored them. I did the 'spit test' and it seemed to show a strong presence of candida. The first one I did had many clearly obvious vertical 'strings', and the next one I did, first thing in the morning, created a cloud of opaque debris that sank to the bottom. I looked at a bunch of stuff online and started buying lots of herbs and stuff ( I already had a few ), its been around a week since I started taking them and I had to build up slowly, but im roughly at full doses of most of these products now, and my symptoms seem to have receded noticeably, I have more energy when im not in a 'herx' and my muscles are less sore, i'm able to go to the toilet every day now like a normal person, whereas a week ago it was every 3 to 4 days. If you search deeply on the internet you'll find that Candida can cause multiple chemical sensitivity, food allergies, and sensitivity to airborne mold / mycotoxins, it also produces Gliotoxin, which was one of the 3 found elevated on my GPL urine mycotoxin test.
 

Tsukareta

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I just wanted to add some more information because I think it could be useful for some people ( this is how I figured out that my recent problem was likely Candida ) "Men usually experience fatigue, headache, digestive symptoms, muscle and joint pains, chemical sensitivities, food sensitivities, sugar cravings, memory loss, sexual dysfunction and depression."

https://www.mesupport.co.uk/articles-index/related-conditions/candida-m-e


"THE COMMON LINK BETWEEN CANDIDA, ALCOHOL AND MULTIPLE CHEMICAL SENSITIVITIES"
https://elizmalambert.com/acetaldehyde-and-its-role-in-candida-and-alcohol/

https://www.peaksofhealth.com/assets/pdf/Do-You-Have-Yeast-Overgrowth.pdf
 

Osaca

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How, is your Candida treatment going? I'm fairly confident I have something similar. At least I have had permanently white-yellow tongue for roughly a year, that is sort of inflamed (sort of feels like you had to much vinegar the day before). One can sort of scrape all the white stuff off, if one tries really hard (for example by using a disinfected credit card) but if just returns the next morning. I'm positive for the spit test, but that's of no scientifc value as I've read.

It seems Candida is somehow connected to microbiome problems and a weak immune system, which would make a lot of sense in my case.

Did you ever manage to get yourself properly tested or obtain antifungal treatment for it? What makes me slightly unsure about it being Candida is that I haven't had a drop of sugar, milk or Coffee in the past year, do you know of other fungi with similar symptoms?

Personally, I'm not concerned about it, especially since I've had it for so long, but it makes me wonder how my insides look like if my tongue already has a possible yeast overgrowth. Cool be used as a good indication of what is going wrong and as a treatment outcome if one tries to somehow manipulate the microbiome.

I've heard of several Long-Covid patients who also have a white tongue. Not sure if it's always Candida or if other possiblities are also possible. For instance EBV also seems to cause some white mouth issues (white tonsil stones etc).
 
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Tsukareta

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How, is your Candida treatment going? I'm fairly confident I have something similar. At least I have had permanently white-yellow tongue for roughly a year, that is sort of inflamed (sort of feels like you had to much vinegar the day before). One can sort of scrape all the white stuff off, if one tries really hard (for example by using a disinfected credit card) but if just returns the next morning. I'm positive for the spit test, but that's of no scientifc value as I've read.

It seems Candida is somehow connected to microbiome problems and a weak immune system, which would make a lot of sense in my case.

Did you ever manage to get yourself properly tested or obtain antifungal treatment for it? What makes me slightly unsure about it being Candida is that I haven't had a drop of sugar, milk or Coffee in the past year, do you know of other fungi with similar symptoms?

Personally, I'm not concerned about it, especially since I've had it for so long, but it makes me wonder how my insides look like if my tongue already has a possible yeast overgrowth. Cool be used as a good indication of what is going wrong and as a treatment outcome if one tries to somehow manipulate the microbiome.

I've heard of several Long-Covid patients who also have a white tongue. Not sure if it's always Candida or if other possiblities are also possible. For instance EBV also seems to cause some white mouth issues (white tonsil stones etc).
Its going ok, I forget exactly when I started but I had to build up slowly, I did see rapid improvement in all aspects up until this weekend just passed when the situation changed, we had an un-forcasted heatwave thats still continuing now although not quite as hot as it was at the weekend. Extreme summer weather like this always makes me exhausted / gives me PEM, but it usually happens in July or August, not June. Certain symptoms suddenly returned on Monday after the second thunderstorm, and yesterday afternoon I was wiped out and laying down in my tent by 3pm.

The supplements for candida are easy to discover on the net and affordable, it seems cheaper to just try them that trying to get any formal medical test done. I heard there is a candida antibody blood test though, but i've also heard that 'candida overgrowth' is considered 'alternate medicine' and as you can imagine i'm sick of being put into that category after having CFS, still undiagnosed for 7 years, then what I speculated then later assumed was mold illness ( with MCS too ! ).

I'm supposed to be speaking to a nutritionist tomorrow on the telephone which might be interesting, this service was included in a food intolerance test I did months ago.

Candida can feed on carbs, it really likes wheat and stuff like that. I had already reduced my diet to mostly meat and eggs by the time I started re-considering candida, i'd noticed that I sometimes felt worse after eating a lot of cereals, I seemed to do better on coco pops ( cocoa powder + rice ), than another cereal that is more oat and barley based, for a while I thought maybe gluten was causing issues but I later realised that the oven chips i'd been eating a lot of sometimes, had a wheat batter coating ( I always thought they were just potato + oil ).

Cereal bars that are mostly oats + a lot of sugar seemed to really give me trouble, a sort of headache that started right after eating a small amount, but i'd also noticed this effect varied over time for no explicable reason, sometimes i'd be able to eat larger amounts of cereals / sugar and still feel ok, but other times i'd start to get tired and bloated after periods of eating these foods.

Skeptics might put it down to the herbs but a big difference I noticed very quickly was that i'm now going to the toilet every day, whereas 2 weeks ago it was every 3 to 4 days, and at the time I moved out of the house into my tent, I was only able to go once a week after taking 2 different types of laxatives.
 

Tsukareta

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The following video includes a section on Candida and how to kill it off.

very interesting thanks, I have definitely had the eyelid twitching issue before, I had it a long time ago, I think before I had CFS, but also I remember having it more recently, early this year perhaps. I probably have low bile at the moment but I wouldn't know why. Its very interesting that he says heat intolerance can be a B1 deficiency, as I struggle with that problem, mainly during the frequent heatwaves we get in the UK most summers now.

My function level has dropped again and some familiar symptoms have flared up, seemingly due to the extra fatigue from the first heatwave we've had this year, although my diet hasn't changed and im taking similar levels of anti-candida herbs and stuff as I was 5 days ago, so this is a bit of a setback for me, but I still think the big gains I saw initially were real.

I actually talked to a 'nutritionist / nutritional therapist' earlier as part of a food reaction test I did by mail, and she said that my problem seemed to be complex and it was a bit outside of her area of expertise but she offered to try and find other specialists that might be able to help ( for free ) which could be very useful.

She said that my flushing could be histamine related, so I said I don't seem to react to high histamine foods.
She agreed that my immune system could be compromised which could be associated with my ME/CFS, and that she would probably look at improving that before treating candida, but I don't really understand how that might look, but it did make me remember that the majority of the immune system is in the gut ?
 
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