Telegraph Tomorrow - Exercise and positivity can overcome ME

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I saw a friend of mine this evening, a retired professor of neurology...
I think this may be a significant factor. A doctor is likely to be automatically more supportive of an apparently medical source and more dismissive of patient responses than, say, a PhD physicist or a lawyer. There's definitely a strong old-boys club attitude in medicine. Doctors tend to support doctors, no matter what. Patients, on the other hand, are generally considered inferior beings. Hopefully someone well-educated but more scientifically or logically trained than most doctors would have a more balanced view.
 

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Daily Telegraph responds to MEA complaint

MEA replies to the Daily Telegraph

As no satisfactory solution has been reached with the Daily Telegraph, I will now refer the need for a correction of the inaccurate and misleading headlines in the paper edition to IPSO (Independent Press Standards Organisation) which has taken over from the PCC

IPSO Clause 1 Accuracy:
i) The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information, including pictures.

ii) A significant inaccuracy, misleading statement or distortion once recognised must be corrected, promptly and with due prominence, and - where appropriate - an apology published. In cases involving the Regulator, prominence should be agreed with the Regulator in advance.

iii) The Press, whilst free to be partisan, must distinguish clearly between comment, conjecture and fact.

iv) A publication must report fairly and accurately the outcome of an action for defamation to which it has been a party, unless an agreed settlement states otherwise, or an agreed statement is published.

CS4 November 2015, at 17.55

Dear Alexandra

I have read your reply and find it to be both disingenuous and inaccurate.

"Oxford University has found ME is not actually a chronic illness"

For the vast majority of people with ME/CFS, this is a long term disabling illness - a fact that is fully recognised by the Dept of Health, DWP, MRC and NICE Please look at the section on prognosis (page 7) in the Chief Medical Officer's Report on ME/CFS if you require independent confirmation:http://www.meassociation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/CMO-Report-2002.pdf

The headline regarding chronicity was clearly inaccurate and one of the authors of the PACE trial paper has stated: "The study did not contradict the view that ME/CFS is a chronic illness. Source: http://www.senseaboutscience.org/re...ng-me-is-all-in-the-mind#sthash.WwJ2lMQ5.dpuf

It is also worth noting that Isabel Hardman, Assistant Editor of The Spectator, said in her blog column yesterday:

I’ve spoken to the lead author, Professor Michael Sharpe from the University of Oxford, and he is adamant that his study did not conclude or suggest that CFS is not actually a chronic illness. ‘Whatever people’s own views are on this, they cannot use this research to claim that,’ he says.

I note that the headline relating to CFS no longer being a chronic illness has been removed from the on-line version of this news item

However, there should also be a proper correction in the paper edition - as this was a clear factual inaccuracy

Oxford University made no such claim


As this is not going to happen, I will now forward my complaint to IPSO

"Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sufferers 'can overcome symptoms of ME with positive thinking and exercise'

The PACE trial study did not claim that 'positive thinking' can 'overcome symptoms of ME

And CBT is not the same as 'positive thinking'

The over simplistic claim that exercise can 'overcome symptoms of ME symptoms' is also incorrect

I note that there was no intention to provide any balance, or critical comment, or patient evidence on these interventions in this news item.

But it is worth noting that in the MEA report (graph below) respondents told us that CBT had either no effect on symptoms (73%) or actually made them worse (18%)



And that 'exercise' in the form of GET made symptoms worse in 74% and produced no effect in 14%
Where patients followed courses that only related to CBT, GET or Pacing; more reported an improvement in symptoms following their Pacing course than did those who attended either of the other courses.

CBT resulted in 91% of participants feeling their ME/CFS symptoms were unaffected or made worse,

GET 88%, and Pacing 55%.

GET was deemed to have led to a worsening of symptoms by more patients than those who attended either CBT or Pacing courses (graph 3:4:2a).

Regards

Dr Charles Shepherd

Hon Medical Adviser, MEA

On 4 Nov 2015, at 16:35, Telegraph Enquiries wrote:



Our Ref: 1008333

4 November 2015

Dr Charles Shepherd
7 Apollo Office Court
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MK18 4DF

Dear Dr Shepherd,


Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sufferers 'can overcome symptoms of ME with positive thinking and exercise', 28 Oct 2015

Thank you for contacting us about this article.

We have received a number of complaints about this item.

The below is our response to all. If you remain unhappy with it, we suggest that you pursue the matter with IPSO at ipso.co.uk.

The Telegraph is a general interest newspaper, not a scientific or medical journal.

Provided they do not significantly misrepresent the findings of scientific papers and studies, newspapers are entitled to summarise and explain these in language appropriate for a non-specialist audience.

Against that backdrop, we have the following comments about the main issues under complaint:

1. "Oxford University has found ME is not actually a chronic illness"

Complaints about the article's sub-heading assume that 'chronic' illness has the specific meaning of being a condition for which there is no cure. In fact, 'chronic' as applied to sickness is variously defined and incurability is not common to all definitions. For instance, the WHO defines chronic disease (which it also calls 'non-communicable disease'), as any condition 'of long duration' and 'slow progression'. The definition is silent on the topic of curability. It does however include 'cancers' - many of which are obviously curable - in its list of chronic diseases. According to the US National Center for Health Statistics, a chronic disease is one that lasts 3 months or longer; it notes that chronic disease is only 'generally' incurable, not that this is a necessary or defining characteristic.

As non-medical specialists, readers tend to apply the term 'chronic' more loosely, with a meaning approximate to the Wikipedia definition, ie any condition with persistent and long-standing symptoms that are difficult to alleviate, whether or not it is ultimately curable. To the extent that the study's findings do indeed challenge this view of CFS/ME, the wording is not significantly inaccurate.

Moreover the article states clearly that "doctors still do not know the cause or cure" of CFS/ME. This is repeated in the caption that accompanies a photograph included in the online article. It also quotes Prof Peter White, of Queen Mary University, saying: “But it is also a reminder that these treatments do not help everybody and more research is needed.”

It follows that readers will understand that the study has not found a cure, and that the treatments examined in the study helped only some study subjects, not all. We note moreover that the UK's ME Association itself notes that some sufferers "manage to return to completely normal health, even though this may take a considerable period of time", suggesting that the condition is curable. It also says ME "often becomes a chronic illness", thereby suggesting that not all cases are chronic.

Given all the above, it is difficult to see how the article can be significantly misleading on the point. We have nevertheless amended the wording for clarity.

2. "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome sufferers 'can overcome symptoms of ME with positive thinking and exercise' "

Some readers expressed concern about the article's headline, claiming that 'fatigue' was the only symptom examined by the study.

In fact, as the study makes clear, both the original PACE trial and the follow-up assessment in the study also assessed 'physical functioning' using the MOS SF-36, which assesses limitations on social and physical activities (because of physical or emotional problems), limitations in usual role activities because of physical health and emotional problems, bodily pain, general mental health, vitality and general health perceptions. These categories clearly reflect a wide range of symptoms beyond mere fatigue.

It was therefore reasonable for the headline to summarise the study as having found that sufferers "can overcome symptoms of ME with positive thinking and exercise". The phrase's appearance within inverted commas indicates that it is to be taken as a shorthand summary of the findings, and both Graded Exercise Therapy and Cognitive Behavioural Therapy are explained in the text of the article. Given the NHS' definition of CBT as a "talking therapy" that helps patients deal with problems "in a more positive way" by "breaking down overwhelming problems into smaller parts and "showing [them] how to change these negative patterns to improve the way [they] feel", it is plainly not unreasonable to summarise it as 'positive thinking'.

Further, there is no suggestion that 'overcome', in context, means sufferers would be 'brought back to pre-illness functional levels', as has been suggested. The article makes clear that study subjects found their health improved, not restored ("...found that those who were encouraged to be more active and alter their mind-set suffered less fatigue and were able to cope with daily life more easily").

3. Methodology and viability of the PACE study and 'balance'

It is not for a general interest newspaper such as The Telegraph to be the arbiter of a study's methodology, as IPSO has previously ruled. The study in question was peer-reviewed and published in The Lancet, a well known and highly respected medical journal, and we were entitled to summarise its findings.

Regarding complaints about 'balance', the Telegraph also published this article by Jill Stratton as a counterpoint to the findings of the study reported here. Sufferers' views are therefore fully represented within our output.
I trust this is of some assistance.

Yours sincerely
Alexandra Gravett
Editorial Information Manager
 

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Provided they do not significantly misrepresent the findings of scientific papers and studies, newspapers are entitled to summarise and explain these in language appropriate for a non-specialist audience.

But significantly misrepresenting is exactly what the reporting on PACE/GET/CBT has been doing for years !
 

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Regarding complaints about 'balance', the Telegraph also published this article by Jill Stratton as a counterpoint to the findings of the study reported here. Sufferers' views are therefore fully represented within our output.
Excellent. Then the Editorial Misinformation Manager wouldn't mind if someone published a scientific and/or medical claim that she is clinically a dumbass, so long as she has the right to describe her emotional reaction afterward :thumbsup:
 

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It follows that readers will understand that the study has not found a cure, and that the treatments examined in the study helped only some study subjects, not all. We note moreover that the UK's ME Association itself notes that some sufferers "manage to return to completely normal health, even though this may take a considerable period of time", suggesting that the condition is curable. It also says ME "often becomes a chronic illness", thereby suggesting that not all cases are chronic.
This really is abominable sophistry.
 

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Telegraph response:
The Telegraph is a general interest newspaper, not a scientific or medical journal.


And yet they post scientific and medical things as absolute fact?

Yes Quite!!

They are basically excusing themselves from the general rules of journalism, source facts and use two opposing "experts" to report the issue.

How does their explanation wash in terms of politics for example in the presentation of illegal wars, government statistics on crime, unemployment, cancer rates, education standards etc etc.

As non-medical specialists, readers tend to apply the term 'chronic' more loosely, with a meaning approximate to the Wikipedia defintion........

:thumbdown: Did he really just say that in print? So now professional journalists refer to Wikipedia to support their articles and notions?

FFS even high school students let alone undergraduates are told in no uncertain terms NOT to use Wikipedia as a reference point or source information

Just what is the point of journalism when their response amounts to nothing short of, "the public is too stupid to understand the science so we have no obligation to use correct terms or an accurate narrative".

Infact they seem to be saying they don't even have to keep to the definition of basic English words and if they change the definition of chronic and curable then anything is possible in terms of "recovery" which they even go on to admit is not defined as cured in the study.

Yet.....

We note moreover that the UK's ME Association itself notes that some sufferers "manage to return to completely normal health, even though this may take a considerable period of time", suggesting that the condition is curable.

Infact when you go to the link to the MEA site the Telegraph give it says right there in black and white.....

Treatment
There is currently no accepted cure and no universally effective treatment.

There is no known cure therefore its not curable. I guess they they will be referring to a Wikipedia definition of curable rather than a scientific one. Again they must think their readers are too stupid to understand the definition of curable. At the same time they claim its not their job to challenge any claims made in the PACE trial and subsequent studies. Just whats the bloody point of them then! What is journalism?

It also says ME "often becomes a chronic illness", thereby suggesting that not all cases are chronic.

I'm not sure where the MEA has said that but the very diagnosis of ME relies on it having reached the chronic stage, a minimum of six months, otherwise there is no diagnosis.

How the hell can they be using that as reasoning that ME is curable.

The flu only lasts about a week therefore its not chronic does that mean its curable?

Provided they do not significantly misrepresent the findings of scientific papers and studies, newspapers are entitled to summarise and explain these in language appropriate for a non-specialist audience.

Even Michael Sharpe one of the Study Investigators has said their article was misrepresentative of the facts from his paper yet they still claim it isn't? o_O

Does anyone trust this kind of logic when these people are charged with investigating our political processes, decisions on military actions on other countries, the reporting back of new freedom laws in our own countries, whether we should be giving up all our data to the government, issues surrounding the financial sector, banking, whats going into our food....etc etc.


It just seems astonishing that they cannot just publish the MEA complaint in response to the new study and all the fanfare that came along with it and let their readers decide what to make of it. Its such a simple response. Why are they speaking for their readers instead of letting their readers read the opposing narrative? I guess again they think their readers are to stupid to get it? That's what they basically said in their word reinvention gymnastics response.

I'm not sure I can even trust the date on newspapers anymore.
 
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The Telegraph is a general interest newspaper, not a scientific or medical journal.

"We don't do medicine, politics, science, crime, economics, sport, weather, finance and that, we just copy and paste briefs from corporate lobbyist groups, the police, the intelligence services and 10 Downing street..........

......Furthermore we are meticulous in checking stuff against wikipedia when anyone challenges us."

Now lets put some extra context onto this and think about the revolving door of corporate interests and governments.

 
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I have long said the media is a big part of the problem for us.

As the Daily Telegraph has just demonstrated. Again.
Yeah, it would help if they weren't in bed with the SMC and the SMC weren't in bed with SW, who is in bed with the money people who don't want to pay for disability and medical care for the seriously ill.

That bed's getting might crowded. Surely someone's going to go tumbling out eventually. Or maybe they'll just get a bigger bed.... :eek:
 

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"Infact they seem to be saying they don't even have to keep to the definition of basic English words" …....
Have you ever done a telegraph crossword?
 

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Following the decision by the DT to avoid making a proper correction of these inaccuracies in the paper edition I have made a formal complaint to IPSO:

Dear IPSO

Formal complaint regarding headlines which appeared on the front page of the Daily Telegraph on Wednesday October 28th in relation to a news item on a clinical trial - the PACE trial - of four treatment interventions in ME/CFS


I have looked at your complaints procedure on the IPSO website and decided that the simplest way to submit this complaint is by email.

I believe all the information required on the website submission is included below.

Please let me know if this is not the case.

COMPLAINT SUMMARY
I have already made a formal complaint to the Daily Telegraph and received a reply which indicates that they have removed a factually inaccurate headline from an on-line version of this news item.

However, the Daily Telegraph is not willing to publish a correction or apology in the paper edition.

I believe that this is a clear contravention of your code of practice (as below) which states that inaccurate or misleading statements must be corrected promptly AND WITH DUE PROMINENCE.

PSO Clause 1 Accuracy:
i) The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information, including pictures.

ii) A significant inaccuracy, misleading statement or distortion once recognised must be corrected, promptly and with due prominence, and - where appropriate - an apology published. In cases involving the Regulator, prominence should be agreed with the Regulator in advance.

iii) The Press, whilst free to be partisan, must distinguish clearly between comment, conjecture and fact.

iv) A publication must report fairly and accurately the outcome of an action for defamation to which it has been a party, unless an agreed settlement states otherwise, or an agreed statement is published.


This is important in this case because the news item was placed in a very prominent position on the front page of the paper and was then repeated elsewhere in the media.

The headline and resulting story have caused a great deal of distress to people with ME/CFS - who now fear that they will be told that all they have to do is to exercise and think positively and they will get better.

So people with this illness are also owed an apology - as set out in your code of practice.

The sequence of self-explanatory correspondence is set out below:

I should also point out that I have submitted a letter which is marked 'intended for publication' to the editor which covers what I regard as unbalanced and misleading reporting of the PACE trial.

This letter has not been published.

Yours sincerely

Dr Charles Shepherd
Hon Medical Adviser
ME Association

Sequence of email correspondence to/from DT also sent to IPSO
 

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Got worried for a minute. I thought Peter Hitchens was on our side:

Peter Hitchens   ClarkeMicah    Twitter.png


Thankfully he's talking about the Middle East.
*phew*
 

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NHS HOSPITALS AT BREAKING POINT DUE TO ME SUFFERERS TAKING PACE!
How about we all throw ourselves into A and E claiming that we have followed PACE's recommendations and bring the NHS to its knees? Now that would get some coverage.
Research 1st post is brilliant. Thank you so much for that. I do hope that you have sent that off to newspapers etc.
 
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