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I don't have the energy or focus to better address your arguments in defense of your fairly visible anti-supplement stance, but I can speak from personal experience: without access to experimentation with various supps at various doses and strengths, I don't think I'd still be here.
Apologies. Not a particularly pointed counter, but genuine and from the heart.
Histrionic in places, but the best I could do right now.
Western allopathic medicine has settled cozily into the 25 - 40% per year cost increases in our already expensive and often shod-diddily-oddily medical care, and are now waking up to the horror of a new kid on the block, and he/she/whatever may very well have a black belt that defeats WAM and Pharma’s usually effective self-defense system.
So they go after that entity with everything they have, including planting potentially phonied 'research' articles documenting the uselessness of supplements, and how Vit D provides NOOOOOO benefit at all, Vit C is profoundly dangerous, Vit E damages your heart and lungs, fish oil is bogus, and all any of us need is a marginally well-balanced diet and a little exercise.
That got us GET. And its snide little cousin CBT. And the numerous studies in endless stacks of publications supporting their validity as viable treatments for us.
What other wondrous miracles does standardized allopathic medical practice and Pharma have in store for us, I can barely stand the suspense.
I think I'm too tired to do this right now, and am losing steam and focus rapidly.
The bottom line is this: we all have the right to believe in and practice the healing and treatment methods of our choice, particularly in view of the dismal failure of the medical community in those regards, as well as the supplementation, or lack of it, that seems to work for us.
So rock on, you totally have the right. It's your body, your life, and none of my business.
Just please don't argue against the very things that have kept many of us alive, and many more on the soul-grindingly slow but gradually improving path to better functionality and health after having been either completely failed by, or brusquely tossed aside by a medical community whose educations and future incomes are underwritten by the very pharma companies in whose profound interest it is to slam the door loudly and firmly on any method that doesn't fill their bank accounts and fluff up their already plump little egos.
Yeah. That's us. Always just lolling about, waiting for the magical answer.Most people buy them because they want to be convinced that popping a pill magically solves their potential future health problems
I don't have the energy or focus to better address your arguments in defense of your fairly visible anti-supplement stance, but I can speak from personal experience: without access to experimentation with various supps at various doses and strengths, I don't think I'd still be here.
Apologies. Not a particularly pointed counter, but genuine and from the heart.
Could you possibly cite some of those credible research papers? And your well-researched basis for the belief that they are credible, keeping in mind that BigPharm owns almost all university medical schools, from their course syllabuses to their research centers and their focus, findings, and conclusions. Lock, stock, and great smoking barrel.All the credible research papers I read indicated that the benefits were trivial: a few % reduction of risk even at high doses of supplements.
And there are 'credible' studies that prove that the earth is, after all, flat as a fluke worm. And that clearly cancer-producing food additives are as benign as a baby's burble. And that massive amounts of anti-d's are required by 5 out of every 6 patients, including the very elderly and children under the age of 3. And that none of the 'medications' produced by our corporate, profit-driven medical system cause any damage at all. Absolutely none.The study this thread is about said that most supplements are a waste of money for most people
Histrionic in places, but the best I could do right now.
Western allopathic medicine has settled cozily into the 25 - 40% per year cost increases in our already expensive and often shod-diddily-oddily medical care, and are now waking up to the horror of a new kid on the block, and he/she/whatever may very well have a black belt that defeats WAM and Pharma’s usually effective self-defense system.
So they go after that entity with everything they have, including planting potentially phonied 'research' articles documenting the uselessness of supplements, and how Vit D provides NOOOOOO benefit at all, Vit C is profoundly dangerous, Vit E damages your heart and lungs, fish oil is bogus, and all any of us need is a marginally well-balanced diet and a little exercise.
That got us GET. And its snide little cousin CBT. And the numerous studies in endless stacks of publications supporting their validity as viable treatments for us.
What other wondrous miracles does standardized allopathic medical practice and Pharma have in store for us, I can barely stand the suspense.
Which proves what, exactly? That precisely because supplementation works for those suffering from severe medical problems it can't possibly be of any value to others not as seriously afflicted?The study you posted isn't about normal healthy people taking supplements, it's about a specific subgroup of the population already suffering from severe medical problems
I think I'm too tired to do this right now, and am losing steam and focus rapidly.
The bottom line is this: we all have the right to believe in and practice the healing and treatment methods of our choice, particularly in view of the dismal failure of the medical community in those regards, as well as the supplementation, or lack of it, that seems to work for us.
So rock on, you totally have the right. It's your body, your life, and none of my business.
Just please don't argue against the very things that have kept many of us alive, and many more on the soul-grindingly slow but gradually improving path to better functionality and health after having been either completely failed by, or brusquely tossed aside by a medical community whose educations and future incomes are underwritten by the very pharma companies in whose profound interest it is to slam the door loudly and firmly on any method that doesn't fill their bank accounts and fluff up their already plump little egos.