Super Gut

[stridor]

I have been on Freddd's Protocol since 2012. I am down to one needle of B12 daily now.

B12 was a huge step forward and Dr Davis' program and the SIBO Yogurt has been just as big. I am 70 now and my waist is smaller, but my weight is the same....I appear to be putting on muscle. I do take testosterone so it's possible. I am stronger and have more motivation and stamina. The real difference is in mental clarity, disposition, and social engagement. I am a different person. It's been over 2 months now and it is appearing to stick. (I've stopped waiting for the other shoe to drop).

Caveats....I don't have a colon, or ileocecal valve = nothing to stop bacteria from "climbing the pipe". I have leaky gut as indicated by multiple food sensitivities and other indications of LPS loading and generalised inflammation. I have been trying to get help with my gut for years, but my Dr kept brushing me off.

Anyway, I don't need anything I just wanted to share this information that I'm sure has been shared before. I don't know what others have reported, but this program has really turned things around for me.

 

[pamojja]

Been a member of his old TrackYourPlaque forum, until membership fees became too expensive.

Years later I tried the Reuteri curd (correct me, if this is different from the SIBO curd), but felt no difference or saw increased blood testosterone. 2 month trial too.

 

[stridor]

Been a member of his old TrackYourPlaque forum, until membership fees became too expensive.

Years later I tried the Reuteri curd (correct me, if this is different from the SIBO curd), but felt no difference or saw increased blood testosterone. 2 month trial too.

Did you follow the whole program? No grains, high omega 3, high Vitamin D, low carb and the rest of it?

 

[pamojja]

Did you follow the whole program? No grains, high omega 3, high Vitamin D, low carb and the rest of it?

I suffered not only a walking-disability from PAD, but also COPD and PEMs. So I needed whole sets of additional interventions.

Only CAC scanning isn't routinely done here, and therefore expensive. Since not routinely done, also no experienced technician for reading it properly available, most probably. But I had a sure measure of improvement or worsening by my painful walking distance. Besides I used regular CIMT measurement as substitute for CAC scans.

If you're more interested in details: Here the most complete documentation of remissions: https://www.longecity.org/forum/stacks/stack/111-pad-and-additional-remissions/

 

[stridor]

I suffered not only a walking-disability from PAD, but also COPD and PEMs. So I needed whole sets of additional interventions.

I'll take it that you did not follow the complete program. Not through any fault of your own - you had a lot of things going on at that time. I've wondered what L reuteri yogurt would do if someone did not take all the other actions to strengthen the gut wall. You are saying that it does virtually nothing and I find that informative.
Did you take the 3+ gms of omega 3 daily?

 

[stridor]

For knowing nothing about, you did respond with enough details, assumptions and made-up personal accusations about or me, in the first 4 posts already repeatedly:

I've never heard of Track Your Plaque until I heard it from you. I have only heard of the Super Gut book and the Infinite Health Program.

The Statement: Did you follow the whole program? No grains, high omega 3, high Vitamin D, low carb and the rest of it?....was a fishing trip. These are things from the current iteration of the program I follow and I was taking a shot in the dark.

Someone needing to do more than the Track Your Plaque protocol means nothing to me. I don't know if it's equivalent of the current program, or if it is more or less, or something completely different.
Not knowing when L reuteri became part of a program I never heard of is not a reflection on me.

You're the one who likes arguing. I was just going to make a friendly post and leave.
And I think I can be forgiven for thinking that someone with your constellation of health concerns might still be having some difficulties. Good on you for figuring things out. I too, have been unravelling a 30 year mystery.
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[sb4]

@stridor What is the Freddd protocol you're following. I have previously tried various forms of B12 with minimal success however I very recently have found specifically b12 injections to be helping, even when sublinguals and transdermal b12 oils did very little.

 

[stridor]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I remember when I started injectable. It's for the treatment of CFS and it could be a problem for people with COMT. They would be able to tell you better.

The four ingredients are methylcobalamin, adenosycobalamin, methylfolate and L carnitine fumerate. It is my opinion that people need to pay attention to B2 if they initiate this program and often potassium.

I had polyuria and was peeing every 12 to 20 minutes, always carrying a water bottle. This was the first symptom to resolve. The second was an almost psychotic depression - a gift that SAMe brought me This program allowed me to return to work.

The mB12 is ordered by my Dr and supplied by a compounding pharmacy. It is light sensitive and I wrap it in tin foil. If you've done some reading you know that if you respond to B12, it means that you were short on it. Some people advise to take extra for about a year to allow for maximum nerve healing.

The B12 oils.....from that chap in Oz?

Also, if you're not absorbing/transporting B12 particularly well, keep an eye open for other incidents of malabsorption. I was low in Vit D, iron and riboflavin. I found out that I had to pour the capsules of folate into the buccal pouch to get enough in the early days.

 

[sb4]

Yeah the b12 oils was from the guy in Oz. Like I said though, didn't really notice much on it. Nor when I was doing sublingual b12s. But injections have made a big diference.

Maybe I am just more deficient now than I was years ago when doing the other b12 protocols. I know my stomach is super lazy and probably not producing enough acid which would lead to b12 issues over time.

As far as I'm aware my vit D and iron are ok however I did have a special b2 test done, can't remember the name of it, but that did show I was deficient. I supplemented many forms of it without much success. Maybe I will have more success now I'm on b12?

 

[stridor]

Are you saying that you supplemented B2, but were unable to absorb it? That was my story. B2 absorption is easy to detect because it turns our pee a greenish colour. When I started taking B12 I developed the signs of B2 deficiency. I had cracks at the corners of my mouth, a rash on my cheek, chin, nose and privates. And I had super-bloodshot eyes. Classic B2 deficiency.

B12 will try to increase energy output and B2 is used in 3 different places. If you're not absorbing it, you can get into trouble fast. I decided to take it until my urine changed colour and it was 18 x 100 mg the first day and 16 the second. I wasn't absorbing it well at all.

If we step back and look at the picture in its entirety, not getting B12 aboard and not getting B2 aboard points toward broader gut issues. Maybe you should consider the Davis program I'm on(?)

Did you test negative for h pylori?
To answer your question. Taking B12 without B2 is not advisable. B12 will not help with B2 absorption in any way I know, but probiotics can help and likewise increased fibre intake to support gut health would at least in theory be helpful as well.

 

[stridor]

Since you seemed to agree - by not correcting the SIBO curd being different from the Reuteri curd - I assumed it must be.

I thought the use of "curd" was unusual, but it could be the name for yogurt wherever you're from. I speak to people from several countries and am used to different vocabulary. There are people in the group who only use L reuteri. Not everyone on the program has SIBO and I'm not sure what their story is....although L reuteri does occupy the large intestine as well and in theory could be correcting dysbiosis there, I suppose.

I am envious of your microbiome. My testing showed, scant gram+, abundant unidentified yeast, l pylori, and a tapeworm. And that was before they pulled out the colon and the surgeon told me that I will never have normal gut flora again.

I only read polite responses.

 

[sb4]

I think I absorbed the b2 ok as it does turn my urine bright glowing yellow, though I never did get a test to confirm. It will be interesting to see my Organic Acid Test results. Should get them in a week or so. It should show if this new b12 is pushing down other vitamins.

 

[stridor]

I think I absorbed the b2 ok as it does turn my urine bright glowing yellow, though I never did get a test to confirm.

That's good news. One less hurdle for you. My OAT result said I was sick and that my neurotransmitters were out of whack. Something positive might have come from this had testing not abutted amalgam removals and my whole mercury toxicity venture, featuring CFS.
Good luck with the testing. I hope that it provides you with useful information.