Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/state-snatched-girl-prompts-move-in-congress/#q0SevA7MlQzTjM3w.99
"hold those responsible for this atrocity accountable for their extreme conduct.” Amen to that.
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Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/state-snatched-girl-prompts-move-in-congress/#q0SevA7MlQzTjM3w.99
"hold those responsible for this atrocity accountable for their extreme conduct.” Amen to that.
Well I guess that's the "other side of the story" that the hospital didn't want to talk about: their quack was getting federal money to investigate mythical mental problems, and therefore had an incentive to improperly diagnose people with somatoform disorder and keep those people under close surveillance.
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Witch hunting lunacy lives on! you cannot PROVE a non-existent bullshit thing does or does not exist, you cannot win, Catch 22! 
And folk wonder why I get upset at the governments wanting increased rights to medically incarcerate folk for life without a TRIAL?
And folk wonder why I get upset at the governments wanting increased rights to medically incarcerate folk for life without a TRIAL?
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I live in the state and am horrified. This is not the only case. The Massachusetts DCF is also under investigation for the disappearance of a 5 year old boy.
A missing 5-year-old boy and a 15-year-old girl’s forced estrangement from her biological family have put the spotlight on Massachusetts’ troubled Department of Children and Families.
The two cases are just the latest in a series of disturbing events involving children entrusted to the department over the last decade or more. But now, lawmakers are vowing to hold social workers and the administrators who manage them, accountable. A report released last July found 95 children died while in the department’s care between 2001 and 2010, and a top-to-bottom state audit is now under way.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...have-massachusetts-child-services-under-fire/
A missing 5-year-old boy and a 15-year-old girl’s forced estrangement from her biological family have put the spotlight on Massachusetts’ troubled Department of Children and Families.
The two cases are just the latest in a series of disturbing events involving children entrusted to the department over the last decade or more. But now, lawmakers are vowing to hold social workers and the administrators who manage them, accountable. A report released last July found 95 children died while in the department’s care between 2001 and 2010, and a top-to-bottom state audit is now under way.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...have-massachusetts-child-services-under-fire/
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[Satire] There is something clearly not working right with these social workers, psychiatrists and hospital administrators. No physical ailment can be found to be a cause of this. Nor can they be considered delusional. Therefore they must b e possessed, and must immediately be taken into state care so that an exorcism can be performed. If the exorcism fails they must be kept in state care until the demon can be driven out. [End Satire]
This is aberrant belief systems, reinforced by a history of aberrant beliefs and pseudoscience, together with associated regulations and laws, not delusion. It is, ironically, something that can be treated with CBT. Legislating against this also works, as might financial action such as denying federal funding. However I think it should be criminalized, and the culprits prosecuted.
This is aberrant belief systems, reinforced by a history of aberrant beliefs and pseudoscience, together with associated regulations and laws, not delusion. It is, ironically, something that can be treated with CBT. Legislating against this also works, as might financial action such as denying federal funding. However I think it should be criminalized, and the culprits prosecuted.
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And as I've alluded to very often, here in the UK, children are being seen as "commodities" by children's care home systems which was PRIVATIZED! Now a £2 billion year industry
so, kid's taken form family who're accused of Munchausen's Syndrome By Proxy, kid is now filthy lucre for the "system" to milk.
The system is also awash in child rape and selling them as sex slaves. HUGE cover up, when children's protection officers are being threatened with guns to their heads by MI5 officers, and senior cops are outraged and keep getting kicked off investigations etc, you know something truly diabolically evil is going on.
When you remove someone's rights, you can do ANYTHING to them, and the elite and corporations etc cover up all the time. Sounds crazy until you go check the evidence and testimonies.
Note: in the US, judges have been convicted for deliberately sending innocent teenagers to privatized jails, for massive kickbacks. Consider that.
so, kid's taken form family who're accused of Munchausen's Syndrome By Proxy, kid is now filthy lucre for the "system" to milk.
The system is also awash in child rape and selling them as sex slaves. HUGE cover up, when children's protection officers are being threatened with guns to their heads by MI5 officers, and senior cops are outraged and keep getting kicked off investigations etc, you know something truly diabolically evil is going on.
When you remove someone's rights, you can do ANYTHING to them, and the elite and corporations etc cover up all the time. Sounds crazy until you go check the evidence and testimonies.
Note: in the US, judges have been convicted for deliberately sending innocent teenagers to privatized jails, for massive kickbacks. Consider that.
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This will be interesting to watch.
Bill to immediately free Justina Pelletier from state custody filed in Massachusetts Legislature
http://snips.ly/968EE
Bill to immediately free Justina Pelletier from state custody filed in Massachusetts Legislature
http://snips.ly/968EE
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Did you read where JT1024 says there have been almost 100 deaths in ten years?! You think a corporation could keep that covered up for 10 years, and not be held accountable? There is at least a good lawsuit that could cause some real change in the evil Private sector, good luck with that with our gov'ts!
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I already knew that these detained patients are often used as research guinea pigs.. this has always gone on, not just in America but it happens anywhere world over, once the patients rights are lost. Im glad this is being made more public.
It should be made part of international human rights that people can not to be used in research unless a person or their close family members can give an informed consent for them. No "unwilling' person should ever be experimented on!
"diagnosed Justina Pelletier with a mental illness called Somatoform Disorder after only 25 minutes with the teen, without contacting other physicians"
That's what happened to me too but instead a borderline personality disorder diagnoses was put onto me after a very short consultation (actually I think mine was only around 15-20) and no consulation to my ME/CFS or other specialists were done... and once that happens.. other psychs go along with it without even asking questions!
Psychiatry is such a complete sham when it comes to the fact they do not even look at ones medical history (esp if a person tells them they have illnesses like ME/CFS) or consult ones doctors over things one has which they know nothing at all about (so dreadfully downplay) eg I got told I couldnt have PTSD at all as ME/CFS doesnt cause any trauma (thou I had all the symptoms of PTSD at the time). They ignored the fact that I believe and still do due to the severity Ive had this illness, that ME could end up killing me (they ignored that my neighbours called the police as I was screaming in my sleep).
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Merck murdered 55,000 Americans, the Vioxx scandal.
they KNEW it would result in huge numbers of deaths, they covered it up.
Monsanto has murdered 1 million Vietnamese as result of it's polluted herbicides, plus untold numbers of Americans, mostly servicemen but also their kids.
Tobacco corporations killed 100 million by year 2000, by end of this century at least a billion.
Corporations have power to buy the cheap asses of treacherous politicians.
Power + Money = Satan's Dynamic Duo!
Don't get "normal trade and small businesses" mixed up with "Big Business", they're not the same.
Like comparing your local pub to the Mafia.
Oh yeah and who's been the biggies actually gunning for us M.E. patients?
Private health insurance companies!
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Came across this regarding the Massachusetts DCF... Scary.
http://www.massoutrage.com/ma/cps-resources/why-can-the-state-kidnap-your-child/
DCF is accountable to no one, and no one can stop them, unless the state legislature or a higher court steps in and changes the state of the law.
Well, can't I sue them?
As with all things in the strange world of "child protection", the DCF has been given a gift of protection from lawsuits, called "qualified immunity". That is a fancy name for being lawsuit-proof in most cases. Right now, until someone succeeds in getting a court to change the situation, DCF agents are immune from suits for all "discretionary" decisions. Our federal civil rights laws state that ANY PERSON who deprives someone of a right is liable. Our courts say, "horsefeathers", those nice DCF abusers are above the law, as are GALs, DCF lawyers, court investigators, and the judge, too. In other words, anyone from the government can abuse your kids and get away with it.
http://www.massoutrage.com/ma/cps-resources/why-can-the-state-kidnap-your-child/
DCF is accountable to no one, and no one can stop them, unless the state legislature or a higher court steps in and changes the state of the law.
Well, can't I sue them?
As with all things in the strange world of "child protection", the DCF has been given a gift of protection from lawsuits, called "qualified immunity". That is a fancy name for being lawsuit-proof in most cases. Right now, until someone succeeds in getting a court to change the situation, DCF agents are immune from suits for all "discretionary" decisions. Our federal civil rights laws state that ANY PERSON who deprives someone of a right is liable. Our courts say, "horsefeathers", those nice DCF abusers are above the law, as are GALs, DCF lawyers, court investigators, and the judge, too. In other words, anyone from the government can abuse your kids and get away with it.
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Merck murdered 55,000 Americans, the Vioxx scandal.
they KNEW it would result in huge numbers of deaths, they covered it up.
Monsanto has murdered 1 million Vietnamese as result of it's polluted herbicides, plus untold numbers of Americans, mostly servicemen but also their kids.
Tobacco corporations killed 100 million by year 2000, by end of this century at least a billion.
Corporations have power to buy the cheap asses of treacherous politicians.
Power + Money = Satan's Dynamic Duo!
Don't get "normal trade and small businesses" mixed up with "Big Business", they're not the same.
Like comparing your local pub to the Mafia.
Oh yeah and who's been the biggies actually gunning for us M.E. patients?
Private health insurance companies!
Merck "murdered" people? I think there is a legal definition for murder, I would hope that is not the case? Didn't they pay rather heavily for this, or is still being litigated?
What are your sources?
If the tobacco corps killed 100 Million by year 2000, I know that the US gov't would encourage troops to smoke during WW2, it suppressed hunger etc..
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PS If you started smoking in the last 20 years, like you didn't know it was not healthy for you? You can't fix stupid, sorry. Yes, but these insurance companies are being made to pay more and more, as time goes on! If you give most of your disposable income to gov't, then we are not going to have the money from wealthy private individuals to create some of the bigger initiatives that have been going on in the last couple of years!
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Ggingues
"Pay heavily" oh a billion dollar fine and only after huge stink by victims' families etc, which was only 1/5th the profit they made and NO ONE has even been charged never mind convicted.
America started a war over 9/11 where only 1/18th as many folk died, so why didn't the HQ of Merck get bombed out of existence, hm?
murder usually requires "Malice a forethought", deliberate intent to cause severe harm or death, it can also be applied to actions that get so heinous or prolonged, say a fight starts, one guy wins, but then comes back and keeps hitting to the other is dead, for fun/revenge whatever.
If you sell say, beer that is poisoned, and you know it will kill 1:10 folk, and cover that up, you go out of your way to suppress such and make profit even though you KNOW folk are dying...what is that if not murder?
"sources", eh, this is main stream well known stuff, been reported many times by many, go check for yourself so know there's no bias.
the tobacco companies have been exploiting the developing world, folk are more ignorant, more susceptible to ad campaigns, politicians bribed etc
again, go check for yourself, it's well known, W.H.O. etc
"Pay heavily" oh a billion dollar fine and only after huge stink by victims' families etc, which was only 1/5th the profit they made and NO ONE has even been charged never mind convicted.
America started a war over 9/11 where only 1/18th as many folk died, so why didn't the HQ of Merck get bombed out of existence, hm?
murder usually requires "Malice a forethought", deliberate intent to cause severe harm or death, it can also be applied to actions that get so heinous or prolonged, say a fight starts, one guy wins, but then comes back and keeps hitting to the other is dead, for fun/revenge whatever.
If you sell say, beer that is poisoned, and you know it will kill 1:10 folk, and cover that up, you go out of your way to suppress such and make profit even though you KNOW folk are dying...what is that if not murder?
"sources", eh, this is main stream well known stuff, been reported many times by many, go check for yourself so know there's no bias.
the tobacco companies have been exploiting the developing world, folk are more ignorant, more susceptible to ad campaigns, politicians bribed etc
again, go check for yourself, it's well known, W.H.O. etc
Yes, I recall some recordings of tobacco execs and their ad companies that they didn't know would become public. The ad companies recommended "Sow doubt, sow doubt, sow doubt." about the toxic affects of tobacco and the execs agreed to that campaign.
That's exactly what the US government has done since the 80s when it comes to biomedical ME/CFA. Sow doubt, sow doubt, sow doubt.
That's exactly what the US government has done since the 80s when it comes to biomedical ME/CFA. Sow doubt, sow doubt, sow doubt.
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Iquitos
Fear Uncertainty Doubt: F.U.D.
they have had for long time campaigns deliberately targeting kids, so too young to make wise choices, bribes cover ups etc.
Standard Oil sold the formula for tetraethyl lead to the Nazis despite outrage/warnings just before the war, resulting in the deaths of thousands of UK, Commonwealth and American aircrew (it helped their fighter planes).
IBM, General Motors and many others made obscene profits from the HolocaustT
he "Elite" and corporations of the USA and UK invested heavily in the Nazi war machine, in fact in UK, they interfered with the RAF's plans to bomb the Ruhr Valley, to "protect their financial investments"
etc etc.
Folk have no excuse for ignorance of such evils, it's as bad as folk still supporting maniacs like Hitler or Stalin. The evidence is very well known, proven.
Big Business is even MORE dangerous than the tyrants, because they have *gotten away with it* and folk don't grasp the horror. Greed is more seductive than politics.
Example, in late 60s early 70s, two of the big American car makers (guess which ones), were found to have had a secret agreement to limit the number of safety features designed/added to their cars, to save money
at that time over 100,000 Americans per year died on the road, a bloody Hiroshima, EVERY year.
Corporations have "hunting licences", they can poison and kill you or your family, your entire nation and they will get away with it.
Now the corporations and their vermin are deeply enmeshed with government
Check, and you will find that the same names keep popping up as the head of various oversight groups, and then you find oh, they worked in the industry the oversaw and after leaving government office again go back to their corporate posts and that cycle keeps repeating
this is one reason we had the financial crash, because these vermin made damn sure they and their cronies were free to commit whatever financial crimes and con-games they liked.
So when they get deeply in bed with the health and justice systems, oh brother are things going to get bad!
US prisons are well on the way to becoming concentration camps: captive slave labour denied collective bargaining. Anyone remember Walmart and the Chinese goods made by Tiananmen Square protestors in Chinese concentration camps? Same thing. I suggest folk go learn how Dachau started and where that led. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions..."
US judges have been caught and sent to jail, for sentencing EVERY youth who came in front of them to jail terms, innocent or guilty, serious or minor crimes, because the judges were getting huge bribes from the private prison system to incarcerate more vulnerable teenagers for profit. Of course some of these teenagers died in prison, or were raped, ended up on drugs, PTSD etc.
Extremes are always bad, folk need to realize extreme financial evil, is as bad as extreme left, right or religious evil!
So, given the fact our governments are not "limited by the rule of law democracies" any more, having the ability to lock folk up without trial is a really damn bad idea.
mental health patients should only be "sectioned" after fair discourse by a group of doctors AND a judge, in true open accountability, otherwise lies true madness.
See history of such things :/
Fear Uncertainty Doubt: F.U.D.
they have had for long time campaigns deliberately targeting kids, so too young to make wise choices, bribes cover ups etc.
Standard Oil sold the formula for tetraethyl lead to the Nazis despite outrage/warnings just before the war, resulting in the deaths of thousands of UK, Commonwealth and American aircrew (it helped their fighter planes).
IBM, General Motors and many others made obscene profits from the HolocaustT
he "Elite" and corporations of the USA and UK invested heavily in the Nazi war machine, in fact in UK, they interfered with the RAF's plans to bomb the Ruhr Valley, to "protect their financial investments"
etc etc.
Folk have no excuse for ignorance of such evils, it's as bad as folk still supporting maniacs like Hitler or Stalin. The evidence is very well known, proven.
Big Business is even MORE dangerous than the tyrants, because they have *gotten away with it* and folk don't grasp the horror. Greed is more seductive than politics.
Example, in late 60s early 70s, two of the big American car makers (guess which ones), were found to have had a secret agreement to limit the number of safety features designed/added to their cars, to save money
at that time over 100,000 Americans per year died on the road, a bloody Hiroshima, EVERY year.
Corporations have "hunting licences", they can poison and kill you or your family, your entire nation and they will get away with it.
Now the corporations and their vermin are deeply enmeshed with government
Check, and you will find that the same names keep popping up as the head of various oversight groups, and then you find oh, they worked in the industry the oversaw and after leaving government office again go back to their corporate posts and that cycle keeps repeating
this is one reason we had the financial crash, because these vermin made damn sure they and their cronies were free to commit whatever financial crimes and con-games they liked.
So when they get deeply in bed with the health and justice systems, oh brother are things going to get bad!
US prisons are well on the way to becoming concentration camps: captive slave labour denied collective bargaining. Anyone remember Walmart and the Chinese goods made by Tiananmen Square protestors in Chinese concentration camps? Same thing. I suggest folk go learn how Dachau started and where that led. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions..."
US judges have been caught and sent to jail, for sentencing EVERY youth who came in front of them to jail terms, innocent or guilty, serious or minor crimes, because the judges were getting huge bribes from the private prison system to incarcerate more vulnerable teenagers for profit. Of course some of these teenagers died in prison, or were raped, ended up on drugs, PTSD etc.
Extremes are always bad, folk need to realize extreme financial evil, is as bad as extreme left, right or religious evil!
So, given the fact our governments are not "limited by the rule of law democracies" any more, having the ability to lock folk up without trial is a really damn bad idea.
mental health patients should only be "sectioned" after fair discourse by a group of doctors AND a judge, in true open accountability, otherwise lies true madness.
See history of such things :/
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Just a few tweets giving updates on Justina...
Pelletier Travesty Prompts Dr. Keith Ablow to Warn Parents to Protect Rights
Read more at http://barbwire.com/2014/03/31/pell...n-parents-protect-rights/#3KPMDl3JF5pqiZgm.99
Gov. Patrick Says There’s Nothing He Can Do For Justina Pelletier. Is He Lying?
http://michaelgraham.com/gov-patric...-he-can-do-for-justina-pelletier-is-he-lying/
Do not FORGET WHO started n GAINED from the TORTURE of #JustinaPelletier - BCH / Harvard. They can #FreeJustina w/ a sig. #Anonymous
Legislators Will Call for Investigation Into DCF After Parents Lose Custody of #JustinaPelletier http://buff.ly/PetJUr
We need a JustinaLaw RT @politiwars Mito Action Committee statement to judge in #JustinaPelletier case. http://ow.ly/vtPv3 #freejustina
Pelletier Travesty Prompts Dr. Keith Ablow to Warn Parents to Protect Rights
Read more at http://barbwire.com/2014/03/31/pell...n-parents-protect-rights/#3KPMDl3JF5pqiZgm.99
Gov. Patrick Says There’s Nothing He Can Do For Justina Pelletier. Is He Lying?
http://michaelgraham.com/gov-patric...-he-can-do-for-justina-pelletier-is-he-lying/
Do not FORGET WHO started n GAINED from the TORTURE of #JustinaPelletier - BCH / Harvard. They can #FreeJustina w/ a sig. #Anonymous
Legislators Will Call for Investigation Into DCF After Parents Lose Custody of #JustinaPelletier http://buff.ly/PetJUr
We need a JustinaLaw RT @politiwars Mito Action Committee statement to judge in #JustinaPelletier case. http://ow.ly/vtPv3 #freejustina
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@SilverbladeTE ...
IMHO.. It is not just big corporations. There are many individuals and governments involved with deliberate misinformation and atrocities. Many are aware of misconduct but are afraid and have families to support. I know of many in this situation right now.
Just recently, David Wright, director of the Office of Research Integrity (ORI), wrote a scathing resignation letter
Top U.S. Scientific Misconduct Official Quits in Frustration With Bureaucracy - 2 March 2014 5:15 pm
http://news.sciencemag.org/people-e...onduct-official-quits-frustration-bureaucracy
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
IMHO.. It is not just big corporations. There are many individuals and governments involved with deliberate misinformation and atrocities. Many are aware of misconduct but are afraid and have families to support. I know of many in this situation right now.
Just recently, David Wright, director of the Office of Research Integrity (ORI), wrote a scathing resignation letter
Top U.S. Scientific Misconduct Official Quits in Frustration With Bureaucracy - 2 March 2014 5:15 pm
http://news.sciencemag.org/people-e...onduct-official-quits-frustration-bureaucracy
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
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oh I agree, as I keep saying, "people in groups SUCK ASS!"
the "group" becomes "all", not fixing things, not being accountable or whatever, but making the group secret, unaccountable, all powerful....etc
when money, power, religion etc get mixed in, it gets volcanic
not everyone is a scumbag or a "lukewarm, jobsworthy" dumbass etc, but such folk always work to get rid of good folk out of organizations so they have no opposition.
"NeoLiberalism" has consumed Western Conservatism and Liberal politics into a fascist corporate greedy slime-mould, a direct opposite of the "communist" lunacy of the Cold War, and just as bloody bad, but without a rival, it threatens tyrannical hegemony.
As I've said, one of the Soviets favourite tricks was to claim dissidents were "mental cases" and lock them up in mental asylums to be tortured by deprivation and drugs.
Bloody sad, really as we DO need the help of *good* psychiatrists, as this illness affects the brain, endocrine system and causes severe suffering, and thus, mental health help on both biological and psychological fronts is essential.
Instead we get the bloody psychiatric "Taleban"!
oh I agree, as I keep saying, "people in groups SUCK ASS!"
the "group" becomes "all", not fixing things, not being accountable or whatever, but making the group secret, unaccountable, all powerful....etc
when money, power, religion etc get mixed in, it gets volcanic
not everyone is a scumbag or a "lukewarm, jobsworthy" dumbass etc, but such folk always work to get rid of good folk out of organizations so they have no opposition.
"NeoLiberalism" has consumed Western Conservatism and Liberal politics into a fascist corporate greedy slime-mould, a direct opposite of the "communist" lunacy of the Cold War, and just as bloody bad, but without a rival, it threatens tyrannical hegemony.
As I've said, one of the Soviets favourite tricks was to claim dissidents were "mental cases" and lock them up in mental asylums to be tortured by deprivation and drugs.
Bloody sad, really as we DO need the help of *good* psychiatrists, as this illness affects the brain, endocrine system and causes severe suffering, and thus, mental health help on both biological and psychological fronts is essential.
Instead we get the bloody psychiatric "Taleban"!