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Actually I'm pretty sure I won't be trying a Rife machine, ever. I prefer treatments with a scientific or at least rational basis.You never know, you might be more than happy to give it a go once you get off your antibiotics and start to deteriorate which unfortunately is what happens to many.
Actually I'm pretty sure I won't be trying a Rife machine, ever. I prefer treatments with a scientific or at least rational basis.
And I'm quite sure my doctor will have further avenues to try if I don't improve long-term from the current treatments.
The medically certified product I was referring to is this one:
I don't have sufficient German to cite the clinical trials, but here are some papers of interest:
Can I ask those who are opposing these studies to produce some evidence regarding their claims please?
You are rubbishing it yet have so far produced nothing to back up your claims.
The technique relies on the application of an electric field to a tumour to make it susceptible to a follow-up blast of ultrasound. The combination appears to cause tumour cells to self-destruct.
Gendel's equipment would be tuned to deliver an appropriate dose of ultrasound to the tumour mass, but some healthy cells would inevitably be hit too. However, Russell points out that conventional surgery and radiation therapy have the same collateral damage problem.
Virginia Livingstone-Wheeler, Gaston Naessens and Dr Royal Rife claimed that a cancer microbe
is involved that, when the conditions are right, it proliferates and overwhelms the body.
Rife used electromagnetic radiation tuned to the microbe’s natural frequency to destroy it
Application of direct current consisted of 5.0 mA during 60 minutes through two electrodes positioned 3.0 to 4.0 cm apart in the tumoral mass.
1. The techniques can only be used on specific localized tumors.
2. The patient must endure the implantation of electrodes and direct injection of the
chemotherapy medication. Often deep within the body.
3. The effects occur primarily between the electrodes, with very large tumors needing
multiple placement of needle electrodes. The technique cannot be utilized with
extremely small tumors. This allows small metastatic sites to escape treatment.
4. Some tissues do not tolerate the direct application of chemotherapeutic medications, and
there may be collateral damage to healthy tissue.
5. With EChT, there is also metallic ion migration off the electrodes into the surrounding
tissues. This can create localized areas of metal toxicity.
6. The patient must endure the bursts of electrical current into their body from either EChT
or electropermeabilization. In EChT, the electricity is much akin to that delivered by a
muscle stimulator. An electropermeabilization pulse is more akin to the spark derived
from an automotive ignition coil. To use a more graphic example of what a patient
experiences, imagine having a muscle stimulator or car ignition coil attached directly to
Can I ask those who are opposing these studies to produce some evidence regarding their claims please?
(Peter Walker)Rife research is not about being a museum trying to recreate exactly what was done then, but using the knowledge gained back then to develop it further with today's technology.
Oncotherm in Europe have done a number of clinical studies and Prof. Szasz told me personally that it is all based on the further development of what Rife was doing. That is, it is not Rife therapy as he was doing it back then, but what their research has made out of it. Their units are being used all over Europe in clinics and hospitals with thousands of patients treated with scientifically significant results.
Whereas when they started, they used just one modulated frequency, they now use multiple frequencies and tell me this has improved the effectiveness considerably.
The studies you cited did not involve rife, but rather zapping things with electricity. Which is neither similar to Rife nor practical in vivo.I have witnessed people curing or have cured their cancers using these units and I have had success myself , with various other conditions. The toe by the way is back to normal within 7 days. I have provided enough studies to show the work that is being done, and know that anything further I add with just be pulled to bits, and frankly, I only care to converse with people who are seeking the truth as I am not paid for my posts nor have any interest apart from it.
Methylation therapy is not at all proved to work, and thus far that makes it a rather non-scientific and random treatment to try for any medical condition.
Dr. Martin Pall's protocol is not at all proved to work, and thus far that makes it a rather non-scientific and random treatment to try for any medical condition.
Is Victory over Pancreatic Cancer Possible, with the Help of Tuned Non-Invasive Physiotherapy? A Case Study Says Yes
Could the conventional treatment of pancreatic cancer effectively be supplemented by a low level and non-invasive bio-electromagnetic treatment? A case study, based on the regular exposure of a patient to an electromagnetic field, EMF, emitted by a Rife-Bare technology device, suggests so. The plasma confined in a tube of this apparatus emitted radiofrequency solitons. These low level emissions were modulated by an “audio” frequency generator, pre-programmed for the treatment of this disease. After less than two months of exposure to these EMFs, the tumor completely disappeared in approximately two weeks. The explanation of the action mechanism includes a physics aspect relating to the properties of the dissipative soliton which is emitted-absorbed by any non-linear system, a biophysics aspect relating to the coherent structuring of the cellular bath by incident solitons, and finally a biological aspect. The latter is characterized by a critical resonance frequency leading the “unicellular”tumoral cell to adopt a self-destructive behavior. On the other hand EMFs with low level solitons have no effect on the tissues of complex multicellular organisms.
First of all, there is science behind methylation. It is a biological process which is known to occur in the body. It is scientifically proven that problems with methylation, such as when a pregnant women has too little folate, cause serious problems. It is scientifically proven that B12 (also part of methylation) causes serious problems when it is deficient. Taking supplements to correct genetic or dietary deficiencies is well-established scientifically. And given the commonality of problems with B12 and folate, supplementing those is rational under certain circumstances, even when there is no direct evidence of an actual deficiency - as the case of recommended use of folic acid by pretty much every Western government for pregnant women or even those of child-bearing age.So why are people attacking Rife? The answer is simple: bias. Many people are biased against things with which they are not familiar. However, this has nothing to do with science. Nothing at all.
A rational basis for the treatment would help, given the complete lack of scientific research supporting the claims being made. But there is no rational basis for Rife treatment.People here in general are not waiting or looking for clinical trials before they will try something which will help them.
It's a case study of 1 person who used a rife machine in addition to having chemotherapy, and his tumor had already shrunk following the chemotherapy. There's also no statement regarding whether or not he continued with the chemo while using the Rife.This study is being overlooked:
First of all, there is science behind methylation. It is a biological process which is known to occur in the body. ]It is scientifically proven that problems with methylation, such as when a pregnant women has too little folate, cause serious problems. It is scientifically proven that B12 (also part of methylation) causes serious problems when it is deficient.
Taking supplements to correct genetic or dietary deficiencies is well-established scientifically.
And given the commonality of problems with B12 and folate, supplementing those is rational under certain circumstances, even when there is no direct evidence of an actual deficiency - as is recommended using folic acid by pretty much every Western government for pregnant .
There is no scientific or rational basis for Rife anymore than there is for homeopathy. It stretches existing concepts by trying to say that vibrations will act upon body cells (protected by many centimeters of flesh and liquids) the same way that electricity does when directly applied to cells in a petri dish. It's ludicrous.
@zzz your wrote:
"Almost all nutritional supplements - CoQ10, vitamin E, whatever, also fall into this category, because they have not been proven to help with ME"
you are incorrect as far as supplementation. People with ME are deficient in many nutrients, so indirectly, taking them do improve symptoms in many patients. Actually, taking specific supplements is/was the most helpful for me. I was deificient in Omega 3 years ago and taking fish oils improved my cognitive abilities, so much so my family noticed a difference, taking mg shots improved my stamina symptoms etc If you understand some of the pathologies concerning ME such as oxidative stress, specific supplements help and also PREVENT worsening long term.
People here in general are not waiting or looking for clinical trials before they will try something which will help them. Most of what people are experimenting here has not been trialed as most are not in a position to wait around.
Our results suggest that patients with ME/CFS would benefit from CoQ10 supplementation in order to normalize the low CoQ10 syndrome and the IO&NS disorders.
The results suggest that patients with CFS should respond favourably to treatment with--amongst other things--omega3 PUFAs, such as EPA and DHA
It is hypothesized that the administration of omega-3 fatty acids in combination with l-carnitine would increase CPT-I activity and improve chronic fatigue syndrome symptomology.
A rational basis for the treatment would help, given the complete lack of scientific research supporting the claims being made. But there is no rational basis for Rife treatment.
@zzzI agree with you 100%; that's why, as I mentioned, I take quite a few supplements as well. For me too, it was not a shot in the dark either; I took them only after I heard how they helped other people. And that's exactly how I got into Rife treatment too; I saw that these machines were helping thousands of people, and what I had was not sufficient to deal with my symptoms at the time. So I bought a Rife machine, and it has worked very well for me, just as my supplements have worked for me, and your supplements have worked for you.
I have only been trying to make the point in my recent posts that this standard is not good enough for some people here when it comes to Rife, though it's plenty good when it comes to their favorite treatment. (I am not including you in this group, as you have made no statements about Rife.) I am simply asking that all types of treatments have the same standards of efficacy applied to them, so that it should be possible to discuss Rife here in the same way we discuss any other treatment.
This study is being overlooked:
Seems totally out of place in what should have been a down-to-Earth physics paper presenting some mathematical explanations of how externally applied solitons might affect biological structures like cellular membranes."The philosophical non-being: Yet Aristotle held that the movement which allows a living being to evolve, i.e. to progress from one state to the next, is determined only by its non-being. Now, Jung held that the organism’s psychic potential energy, which corresponds to the attitude it has that directs its psychic forces, is equal to the exact sum of its being and non-being."
The big difference here is that while many people here are experimenting with supplements and other not-fully-documented symptomatic treatments, they are not claiming that these treatments are fantastical cures for many and varied illnesses. It's one thing to experiment for yourself and describe what seems to be helping you. It's another to claim that such a treatment will work for everyone, is a cure for any condition, or is a universal panacea.People here in general are not waiting or looking for clinical trials before they will try something which will help them. Most of what people are experimenting here has not been trialed as most are not in a position to wait around. I have tried many things but have not found anything to help apart from frequencies.
I am not a troll but a long term member and am sharing my experience of some thing that has helped me and other people that I have known for a while and trust. Some people are working tirelessly and will not take any financial reward for the work they are doing in this area. I am using a unit which costs $114. That is not expensive. There is enough research out there to keep me happy. If it is not enough for you then go ahead and be a skeptic while I just get on with my healing.