WoolPippi
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a new thread to discuss these therapies that aim to calm down the body's nervous system.
These are not psychological therapies. They don't think ME is a mind thing.
They see ME as a physiological illness with a deep involvement of the nervous system, especially the HPA axis.
Gupta Amygdala Retraining calms down the system via NLP techniques that stop the loop of: a bodily symptom --> worry --> stress reaction --> a bodily symptom. I've tried it in 2014 and had wonderful results.
Here's a FR page with patient reports (it was too tiresome for me to read)
Reverse Therapy (and I assume Mickel Therapy too) aims to shut up the chattering and controlling head and let the body roam free and follow its own wisdom. RT sees emotions as the body's messengers. They are to be used as prompts to do something the body likes such as dance, laugh, be with nice people, play, "waste time", dilly dally, eat chocolate.
Beware, Reverse Therapy doesn't say that PWME should just go dance or eat chocolate. The goal is to flood the system with endorphines and to stay out of the constant grinding of thoughts and worries.
People are to make their personal list of endorphine-triggers and find balance and pleasure each day. They are to pay attention to the personal message that their body is trying to convey. (for example: "You are safe, here, now." or ‘Balance the time you spend looking after other peoples’ needs with the time spent looking after your own.’. RT states you need a counselor to help you decipher the core message behind your emotions.)
I've been doing Reverse Therapy for 5 days now and experience wonderful results.
These therapies are a different way of looking at things, a different way of thinking about how mind and body interact and how they play off each other. All three therapies are aimed at soothing the bodily stress response and are rooted in the stress-research by dr. Selye.
All three therapies talk about brain parts, brain paths and neuro transmitters.
They all try to give some hands-on tools to influence the brain and its habits. These tools happen to be psychological such as NLP, meditation, mindfulness or person-to-person counselling. These are a few of the ways how we can influence the nervous system. Some non-psychological ways to influence the nervous system are EMDR and chemicals.
This is not psychotherapy, there is no patient-blaming and they don't see the cause of the illness in your head.
LINKS and COSTS:
Gupta Amygdala Retraining has a video-set + membership which costs about 140 euros/dollars or 100 pound and has a solid money back guarantee.
Reverse Therapy has a Creative Commons essay out with the context. There's also a book that can be bought.(Both use words and concepts that are different from what we're used to. Vague and easily dismissible if you're looking to do so). The therapy itself is a counseling and relies on seeing an actual human being (via Skype). This costs 80 pounds per session, one to six sessions needed. (I'm doing a DIY version based on the essay and the blog of the developer)
Mickel Therapy springs from the same well as Reverse Therapy. The base was developed by both men together. There's a book to buy and there are counselors one has to meet. I don't know more about it but have read the most positive reports about this therapy.
All three therapies have lots of enthousiastic participants who claim health improvements. All three also have people who experienced no improvements or had a relapse later on. None of these therapies have had trials that can scientifically prove their results.
I think the approach they advocate will work well for me but I also should never want to go back to the life I lead when I fell ill. I should eat different food, meet different people, aim for different work goals and recharge in a different manner. Addressing the nervous system differently fits in. I'm doing RT now because I missed the how-to-deal-with-emotions in Gupta.
These are not psychological therapies. They don't think ME is a mind thing.
They see ME as a physiological illness with a deep involvement of the nervous system, especially the HPA axis.
Gupta Amygdala Retraining calms down the system via NLP techniques that stop the loop of: a bodily symptom --> worry --> stress reaction --> a bodily symptom. I've tried it in 2014 and had wonderful results.
Here's a FR page with patient reports (it was too tiresome for me to read)
Reverse Therapy (and I assume Mickel Therapy too) aims to shut up the chattering and controlling head and let the body roam free and follow its own wisdom. RT sees emotions as the body's messengers. They are to be used as prompts to do something the body likes such as dance, laugh, be with nice people, play, "waste time", dilly dally, eat chocolate.
Beware, Reverse Therapy doesn't say that PWME should just go dance or eat chocolate. The goal is to flood the system with endorphines and to stay out of the constant grinding of thoughts and worries.
People are to make their personal list of endorphine-triggers and find balance and pleasure each day. They are to pay attention to the personal message that their body is trying to convey. (for example: "You are safe, here, now." or ‘Balance the time you spend looking after other peoples’ needs with the time spent looking after your own.’. RT states you need a counselor to help you decipher the core message behind your emotions.)
I've been doing Reverse Therapy for 5 days now and experience wonderful results.
These therapies are a different way of looking at things, a different way of thinking about how mind and body interact and how they play off each other. All three therapies are aimed at soothing the bodily stress response and are rooted in the stress-research by dr. Selye.
All three therapies talk about brain parts, brain paths and neuro transmitters.
They all try to give some hands-on tools to influence the brain and its habits. These tools happen to be psychological such as NLP, meditation, mindfulness or person-to-person counselling. These are a few of the ways how we can influence the nervous system. Some non-psychological ways to influence the nervous system are EMDR and chemicals.
This is not psychotherapy, there is no patient-blaming and they don't see the cause of the illness in your head.
LINKS and COSTS:
Gupta Amygdala Retraining has a video-set + membership which costs about 140 euros/dollars or 100 pound and has a solid money back guarantee.
Reverse Therapy has a Creative Commons essay out with the context. There's also a book that can be bought.(Both use words and concepts that are different from what we're used to. Vague and easily dismissible if you're looking to do so). The therapy itself is a counseling and relies on seeing an actual human being (via Skype). This costs 80 pounds per session, one to six sessions needed. (I'm doing a DIY version based on the essay and the blog of the developer)
Mickel Therapy springs from the same well as Reverse Therapy. The base was developed by both men together. There's a book to buy and there are counselors one has to meet. I don't know more about it but have read the most positive reports about this therapy.
All three therapies have lots of enthousiastic participants who claim health improvements. All three also have people who experienced no improvements or had a relapse later on. None of these therapies have had trials that can scientifically prove their results.
I think the approach they advocate will work well for me but I also should never want to go back to the life I lead when I fell ill. I should eat different food, meet different people, aim for different work goals and recharge in a different manner. Addressing the nervous system differently fits in. I'm doing RT now because I missed the how-to-deal-with-emotions in Gupta.