Raelly need benefits advice by Tuesday (help)

Cheryl M

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I need some yrgent help though I don’t know if anyne can hep me. I suspect I have too much money and the Department of Work and Pensions (the ebenefits organisation) are ging to find out. Idk if I'l be made to repay it or punished. Sorry about all this.

I tried repeatefly to get a benefit called ESA many years ago. Finally succeeded in getting it though the DWP make it as hard as possibe;; it is means tested but I was poor enough. I then developed progessive memry loss and got trapped in a domestic abuse situation.

I was naive enough to think people would help me, and as far as I cna see, I did enverything Iwas supposed to do. I let the doctor know I had memory loss that was getting worse and said i thought it was dementia. I let social services (etc) know about the domestic abuse because, I thought, they had a responsiblity to protect vulnerable adults. I was absoltuely baffled when the doctor did nothing abut the memory loss and nobody else did anything abut the abuse (it turnes out they do not protect vulnerable adults0). So I just sat there waiting, and I can;t really keep track of time so that turned into years I suppose. I kept thinking “Well, at SOME point someone will do smething?” and then I hoped the abuser who is elderly would die. She didn’t.

Money started piling up in my current account because whyen you can’t leave the house it’s difficult to spend it. I need care, but for years I could’nt find a care agency in my earea so I wasn’t paying fo rcare. The abuser also forgot to charge me for rent or utilities so there was more money coming in than going out. So I sort of watched heplessly while I was trapped with the abuser, not getting any help with the memory losss, but with more and more money arriving and I had nothing to spend it on. I did think “this is ridiculous” but the whole thing was ridiculous. I thought, "Well, at leeast if the abuser kicks me out on the steert (she has thratened to) I have this money I can use."

To my horror, discovered recently that ESA CARRIES ON being meaans-tested. I mean that you’re only allowed to have so much in savings and when you go over that amount you have to tell the DWP (they had not bothered tho explain this and I have no supprtive fmaily members and no friends, so no one else had either). I am well over the amount. I panickedand thought “If I tell them, I imight go to prison,” so didnt know what to do. I askef the CAB (free advice people) who were virtually useless, but they did say “We must advise you tht it will have to be paid back”.

THe DWP then write and said that ESA is ending and I have to transfer to a different ebnefit called Universal Credit. I was actually reivlieved because I thought, “I just won’t transfer to Universal Credit - it’s really hard to get hold of your beenefits even when you really want them, so if I don’t apply for UC they will just stop paying the ESA, they’ll hopefully neer realise they overpaid me, and I can reapply for benfits when my savings go low enough. That way I won’t get in trouble.”

It hasn;t worked like that because it turns out they won’t award you benefits when you need them but they will fight like crazy when you don’t want them. SO they bombarded me wth calls and leters (for weeks) which I didnt answer, then they called the landline and the abuser of course told them exactly where i was and what i would be doing that week. I unplugged the landline but i’ve now got a letter saying they’re going to come round to my house on Tuesday, and i can’t even “be out” when they call because the abuser wil be there and will imediately tell them excatly when to call back. (It's not that she wants me to lose the benefits, she just can;tthink sensibly or do anyting right.)

I dont get it. Ive done everyhting I was suposed to do. I told the doctor I havd serius memory loss and i told everyone about the domestic abuse. Why am I maybe the one in trouble? I always thoguht that this would be the money I could use if she kicked me out but now I won't eveen have that. The shock and the streess are putting me in a crash and I’m more tempeted than usual to hurt myself. What sould I do?
 

Treeman

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I’ve always thought being honest is best. If you do owe them money explain your situation and you have evidence to support you (Dr’s notes etc.).

They’ll just want repaying and if you have the money you’ll be able to do so. Good luck
 

Cheryl M

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I don't even have a diagnosis for thememory loss yet (though I suppose I neeed to get onto that pronto) so i suppose they may not even believe me when I say I've had serious memory loss for (checks) nin eyears and that's why I messed up.

Plus up to now I was thinking "Well, I don't have much in my life, I dont have any friends or supprtovie fmaily or a future, but at least I do seem to ahve some money" and now i won't even have that. Thank you for taking the time to give some advice thugh.
 

Wayne

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Hi @Cheryl M -- It was difficult for me to understand the full context of what you wrote. But I thought I'd present your post to ChatGPT to help decipher it, and to propose any suggestions. I thought the advice was good.

Would you like me to post the ChatGPT reply here on this thread? Would you prefer I PM it to you. You could also do what I did; take what you've written above, and ask ChatGPT for advice. It provided support services suggestions along with important contact information.
 

Cheryl M

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Hi @Cheryl M -- It was difficult for me to understand the full context of what you wrote. But I thought I'd present your post to ChatGPT to help decipher it, and to propose any suggestions. I thought the advice was good.

Would you like me to post the ChatGPT reply here on this thread? Would you prefer I PM it to you. You could also do what I did; take what you've written above, and ask ChatGPT for advice. It provided support services suggestions along with important contact information.
Thank you,but no, I think I need to talk to a person.
 

Wayne

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Thank you,but no, I think I need to talk to a person.
That's actually what I was thinking. The information provided had support organization suggestions, along with contact information. This would lead you to being able to talk with someone.

I just want to clarify things in case there was any misunderstanding. Let me know if you would like me to post that contact information. -- All the best to you as you try to navigate this difficult situation.
 
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andyguitar

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I panickedand thought “If I tell them, I imight go to prison,”
The chance of you being prosecuted is zero.
“I just won’t transfer to Universal Credit - it’s really hard to get hold of your beenefits even when you really want them, so if I don’t apply for UC they will just stop paying the ESA, they’ll hopefully neer realise they overpaid me, and I can reapply for benfits when my savings go low enough. That way I won’t get in trouble.”
I strongly advise you not to stop claiming benefits. If you stop and then start again the DWP will ask you how you supported yourself during that time and will want to see your bank statements going back years. It is probable they will see you had over the limit for the full rate of ESA. Just tell them that you might have made a mistake in your claim. Make sure you say "might" not "did".
 

Cheryl M

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The chance of you being prosecuted is zero.

I strongly advise you not to stop claiming benefits. If you stop and then start again the DWP will ask you how you supported yourself during that time and will want to see your bank statements going back years. It is probable they will see you had over the limit for the full rate of ESA. Just tell them that you might have made a mistake in your claim. Make sure you say "might" not "did".
Ah, that;s rgeat, thank you. OK Thanks. I now see i was panicking aout it because i don't get to talk to anyone in real life, so no-one could be senible and say "Calm down and youneed to do this". i wll do as you say.
 
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I need some yrgent help though I don’t know if anyne can hep me. I suspect I have too much money and the Department of Work and Pensions (the ebenefits organisation) are ging to find out. Idk if I'l be made to repay it or punished. Sorry about all this.

I tried repeatefly to get a benefit called ESA many years ago. Finally succeeded in getting it though the DWP make it as hard as possibe;; it is means tested but I was poor enough. I then developed progessive memry loss and got trapped in a domestic abuse situation.

I was naive enough to think people would help me, and as far as I cna see, I did enverything Iwas supposed to do. I let the doctor know I had memory loss that was getting worse and said i thought it was dementia. I let social services (etc) know about the domestic abuse because, I thought, they had a responsiblity to protect vulnerable adults. I was absoltuely baffled when the doctor did nothing abut the memory loss and nobody else did anything abut the abuse (it turnes out they do not protect vulnerable adults0). So I just sat there waiting, and I can;t really keep track of time so that turned into years I suppose. I kept thinking “Well, at SOME point someone will do smething?” and then I hoped the abuser who is elderly would die. She didn’t.

Money started piling up in my current account because whyen you can’t leave the house it’s difficult to spend it. I need care, but for years I could’nt find a care agency in my earea so I wasn’t paying fo rcare. The abuser also forgot to charge me for rent or utilities so there was more money coming in than going out. So I sort of watched heplessly while I was trapped with the abuser, not getting any help with the memory losss, but with more and more money arriving and I had nothing to spend it on. I did think “this is ridiculous” but the whole thing was ridiculous. I thought, "Well, at leeast if the abuser kicks me out on the steert (she has thratened to) I have this money I can use."

To my horror, discovered recently that ESA CARRIES ON being meaans-tested. I mean that you’re only allowed to have so much in savings and when you go over that amount you have to tell the DWP (they had not bothered tho explain this and I have no supprtive fmaily members and no friends, so no one else had either). I am well over the amount. I panickedand thought “If I tell them, I imight go to prison,” so didnt know what to do. I askef the CAB (free advice people) who were virtually useless, but they did say “We must advise you tht it will have to be paid back”.

THe DWP then write and said that ESA is ending and I have to transfer to a different ebnefit called Universal Credit. I was actually reivlieved because I thought, “I just won’t transfer to Universal Credit - it’s really hard to get hold of your beenefits even when you really want them, so if I don’t apply for UC they will just stop paying the ESA, they’ll hopefully neer realise they overpaid me, and I can reapply for benfits when my savings go low enough. That way I won’t get in trouble.”

It hasn;t worked like that because it turns out they won’t award you benefits when you need them but they will fight like crazy when you don’t want them. SO they bombarded me wth calls and leters (for weeks) which I didnt answer, then they called the landline and the abuser of course told them exactly where i was and what i would be doing that week. I unplugged the landline but i’ve now got a letter saying they’re going to come round to my house on Tuesday, and i can’t even “be out” when they call because the abuser wil be there and will imediately tell them excatly when to call back. (It's not that she wants me to lose the benefits, she just can;tthink sensibly or do anyting right.)

I dont get it. Ive done everyhting I was suposed to do. I told the doctor I havd serius memory loss and i told everyone about the domestic abuse. Why am I maybe the one in trouble? I always thoguht that this would be the money I could use if she kicked me out but now I won't eveen have that. The shock and the streess are putting me in a crash and I’m more tempeted than usual to hurt myself. What sould I do?
I am so sorry you are dealing with all this. There are charities and helplines for people in abusive situations. I dont know if you have accessed these. I am sure they will be supportive.
I was placed on the means tested ESA in 2012. I informed them over the phone and via a paper form which I returned to them that I had over the permissable amount in savings and should be on Contribution based ESA.They actually had this on record. I was ill at the time with ME/CFS. My contract was terminated that year. I hadnt noticed that I was still on the means tested benefit.
About 3 years later I received a formal letter saying I had to attend a formal interview concerning fraud. I was distraught. I went to my gp and was put on medication. I was in no fit state to attend.
I contacted them and they were understanding and the interview was cancelled and I just had to repay what I owed them for what was mostly their mistake. They had it on record that I had informed them so they hadnt done their job properly.
My advice to you is to write to them explaining your circumstances in detail and offering to repay any monies owed. I would also ask your gp if they will write a letter explaning how your circumstances have affected your state of mind. Send the letters to the DWP via special delivery. That way you can check that they have received it. Keep copies of EVERYTHING.They are notoriously inadequate at doing their job properly.i would also ring the DWP asap to explain what you intend doing.
I hope that helps and I hope you get the support you need to help you move on from such an appalling situation.The very best of luck.
 
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