Really, IVI? All medicos, and all scientists? Really? If the system is broken something has to be done. If the professional medical organizations stand in the way of fixing it, they need to be dismantled or reorganized. Ditto for other organizations. When an organization meets its use by date and starts being dangerous to society, there are two choices in the long term. It can revamp itself and fix the issues, or it can be disbanded or forcibly reorganized. Generally this occurs by slow change, and in the process many people continue to be harmed.
The other choice is a scandal finally coming to light that initiates a formal enquiry with sweeping powers. Hmmmm, it seems one like that occurred in the UK just recently. From that enquiry will be recommendations, and from those (hopefully) changes will be made. It just takes one very public scandal. So my advice to people is (if a genuine travesty of medical treatment has occurred) scream loud, scream often, and one of those events may trigger the change needed.
Its the deafening silence from too many quarters that allows this to continue.
I don't know who you are speaking about when you say that the logic is "all M.E/CFS patient organisation should engage in a fight with psychiatry." Nobody is using that logic, except maybe you. First of all, this is not just an ME/CFS problem. Secondly, many within academia, psychiatry and medicine are already engaged trying to do something. Third, there is not a call for unity ... not by me anyway, though I have heard you say we need to be united. Unity on ME or CFS issues is a pipedream in current circumstances, either for cooperation with medical abusers or to fight it. That does not mean it should not be opposed.
Nothing that has been advanced so far in this thread or any other has even begun to sway me from the view that unscientific, irrational and dangerous psychiatric practices should be opposed. Nor is it likely to given the kinds of arguments so far raised. The issue, to me, is not whether or not it should be opposed. Its how it should be opposed.
One of the groups we should be engaging with is biopsychiatry. Biopsychiatry is largely in opposition to psychopsychiatry, and has in my view a far greater chance of finding answers in the long run in comparison to psychopsychiatry (and no I am not talking about answers for CFS and ME, just in general). We don't need vague untestable hypotheses or models, we need objective testable mechanisms.
Bye, Alex