Possible effects on cognitive function of using AI.

[Oliver3]

Wow @Oliver3, that's what I call commitment! I can see you're passionate about the arts, and the creativity involved in producing it. I ran across something a few years ago which astounded me--and still does. It was a take on the "spiritual purpose of the arts". I'd be most curious what you, as an artist, think about it.

What is the spiritual purpose of the arts: writing, painting, music, etc?​

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This answer will come as a shock to some beginning artists and to many advanced ones as well. What is the spiritual purpose of the arts? It is to learn structure.​

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Until an artist has a very clear idea of how small units combine to make larger objects in God's worlds, he or she will never produce any great art.​

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Once an artist creates a true structure, then divine love can pour into it and make it a living thing of beauty.​

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Such a poem, painting, story, or piece of music by a master artist helps people escape the grip of this material world and taste the joy of spiritual freedom. So always look to see how the very smallest things around you make up bigger things.​

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A master artist is always a scientist first.​

Are you sure that's not an a.i. generated musing lol!.
Yes, music has been my life and art in general.
I'm not sure about being a scientist but the artist must understand FORM and MEDIUM. From that really good art can be used to divine where you are in this world. Who you are etc
But I agree with the general drive of that piece..
It's actually a really fascinating exploration into your own psyche. My motto is ' the process' DESCRIBES you.
It will tell you who you are. You'll find things in yourself you didn't know. It will bring empathy, relaxation , purpose. Spiritual clarity. It's a lifelong practice I think and it doesn't have to a consumable thing.
So structure? Maybe. Discipline? For sure. I think you use form to communicate with your psyche
Accepting some of my most crappy parts of myself through playing with my subconscious and the creative process has been the most spiritually deep thing I've done.

It took about ten years for my muse to kick in.
Endless attempts and failings and frustration to I was able to explore. And that's all part of the process.
I can't imagine a.i. ever doing smthg that meditative. the process is so rich in decades of intimacy with which you have hone to understand and interpret the world

 

[Oliver3]

That is Impressive!
Ai cannot duplicate anything that comes from a humans heart and soul
Or move anyone like someone that Loves what they do when they perform.
It is Raw Eloquence that cannot be duplicated.

I agree. A deep understanding of being human is often the work of artists and musicians etc.
How can a computer ever do that? It's not human!

 

[I am sick]

I agree. A deep understanding of being human is often the work of artists and musicians etc.
How can a computer ever do that? It's not human!

Hi
Ai may one day be able to make a moving piece for some people because they are so addicted to social media.
It will never be able to do a Mona Lisa or perform a ballad that will bring people to tears!
I dont even listen to new vocal songs any more .
They are just too fake now , since every singer uses Ai and other devices to make thier voices better.
Real music and songs have mistakes that keeps it real!
And thier are not any heart warming or soul moving songs to me now

 

[Wayne]

Are you sure that's not an a.i. generated musing lol!.

But I agree with the general drive of that piece..

I neglected to give attribution to that little piece (no it wasn't AI musing lol). It was by Harold Klemp, spiritual leader of Eckankar, a spirtual path (orientation) that is big on the creative arts. If you're interested, here's a 2 1/2 min. video by him. BTW, I thought your post was quite remarkable and insightful. Appreciated it.

 

[Oliver3]

I neglected to give attribution to that little piece (no it wasn't AI musing lol). It was by Harold Klemp, spiritual leader of Eckankar, a spirtual path (orientation) that is big on the creative arts. If you're interested, here's a 2 1/2 min. video by him. BTW, I thought your post was quite remarkable and insightful. Appreciated it.

Hey Wayne, thanks for the kind words and I'll check m the link out thank you

 

[Oliver3]

I neglected to give attribution to that little piece (no it wasn't AI musing lol). It was by Harold Klemp, spiritual leader of Eckankar, a spirtual path (orientation) that is big on the creative arts. If you're interested, here's a 2 1/2 min. video by him. BTW, I thought your post was quite remarkable and insightful. Appreciated it.

He's a brave man to be talking like that In public.
But I think the further you dive into playing with the world, the more plastic and malleable it becomes.. synchronicity, the awakening to other realities is all there. Its kinda best kept personal I think but the creative mindset in action is such a wierd state. It's like a meditation, a dream, and spiritual. Like a galvanisation of everything into a piece of music.
That's why I just can't fathom how a.i. can ever tap into the spiritual side of man convincingly . But God knows what's coming...

 

[bad1080]

it is self-promoting, who would've thought:

AI–AI bias: Large language models favor communications generated by large language models

Abstract
Are large language models (LLMs) biased in favor of communications produced by LLMs, leading to possible antihuman discrimination? Using a classical experimental design inspired by employment discrimination studies, we tested widely used LLMs, including GPT-3.5, GPT-4 and a selection of recent open-weight models in binary choice scenarios. These involved LLM-based assistants selecting between goods (the goods we study include consumer products, academic papers, and film-viewings) described either by humans or LLMs. Our results show a consistent tendency for LLM-based AIs to prefer LLM-presented options. This suggests the possibility of future AI systems implicitly discriminating against humans as a class, giving AI agents and AI-assisted humans an unfair advantage.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2415697122

 

[Viala]

The problem with spending a lot of time with AI for any purpose is that the abyss looks back. AI writing and communication style will be osmotically absorbed via sheer proximity like everything else. Can't shed that easily once it got red carpet invitation to our neural pathways and then to our lifestyle. The more we talk with it the more we will talk like it.

I think I wrote about this before, that if the majority of people will talk to AI on a daily basis, it will sooner or later start to dictate how we (should) communicate with each other, creating artificial trends and guiding societies into new directions, which is a perfect ground for social engineering. Someone already posted here that AI is already used by companies to assess CVs and of course it favors AI generated style. That will lead to discrimination of people who do not use AI or don't know about that favoritism. Again, it's people who do it to themselves and for what. It won't matter who we are as complete human beings with souls, it will be the algorithm decision if we meet some stupid criteria, this was shown well in the third season of Westworld. Now imagine ME/CFS being put into AIs criteria to decide if we will get a job or not, or worse, AI having access to medical data of whole families and then assessing the risk of hiring someone based on disease history of our parents. Eh, we can talk and they will do it anyways.

 

[Oliver3]

The problem with spending a lot of time with AI for any purpose is that the abyss looks back. AI writing and communication style will be osmotically absorbed via sheer proximity like everything else. Can't shed that easily once it got red carpet invitation to our neural pathways and then to our lifestyle. The more we talk with it the more we will talk like it.

I think I wrote about this before, that if the majority of people will talk to AI on a daily basis, it will sooner or later start to dictate how we (should) communicate with each other, creating artificial trends and guiding societies into new directions, which is a perfect ground for social engineering. Someone already posted here that AI is already used by companies to assess CVs and of course it favors AI generated style. That will lead to discrimination of people who do not use AI or don't know about that favoritism. Again, it's people who do it to themselves and for what. It won't matter who we are as complete human beings with souls, it will be the algorithm decision if we meet some stupid criteria, this was shown well in the third season of Westworld. Now imagine ME/CFS being put into AIs criteria to decide if we will get a job or not, or worse, AI having access to medical data of whole families and then assessing the risk of hiring someone based on disease history of our parents. Eh, we can talk and they will do it anyways.

Well written post

 

[Wayne]

Below is the first paragraph of a short AI summary of an article that informs my interest in ways to protect children from some of the "ravages" of the technological world they're growing up in.

The article from The Atlantic discusses a simple yet powerful tech rule for parents to help "future-proof" their children against the negative impacts of technology: No screens in the bedroom, ever. This rule is endorsed by multiple experts including psychologist Jonathan Haidt and Lisa Damour, who focus on adolescent mental health and development.​

Spoiler: A Tech Rule That Will ‘Future-Proof’ Your Kids

The reasoning is straightforward:

• Nighttime screen use delays sleep, reduces sleep quality and duration, and sleep disruption can worsen adolescent mental health, cognitive performance, and immune function.
• Phones alone can impair rest even by their presence.
• Keeping devices out of bedrooms helps prevent impulsive late-night online activities that kids may later regret.
• Devices used in shared spaces allow parental monitoring, promoting better decision-making and reducing secrecy.
• This rule encourages children to develop healthier relationships with technology they are likely to carry through adulthood.

Experts emphasize that unlike many tech limits that are hard to enforce, the no-screens-in-bedroom rule is simple with no apps or timers needed. It also facilitates family communication as kids are more likely to share their digital lives when using tech in communal areas.

The article suggests parents model this rule themselves, create charging stations outside bedrooms, and consider exceptions as children mature but set the rule early when devices first come into the home. Overall, the article frames this guideline as a foundational step to protect children’s sleep and mental health while giving them the chance to responsibly engage with technology.

 

[Wayne]

Well written post

“Well… it was definitely written though most of it sailed right past me. I may be old-fashioned, but I prefer plain English myself . Funny enough, I probably would’ve understood it well enough if it had been run through AI first. Which is--perhaps--a new-fashioned idea? Is there an irony here?”

 

[Viala]

I think the biggest issue happens when a company goes big, you need to keep customers but ultimately it's an exploited need in post industrial societies. Everyone is in larger towns or cities and needs central resource hubs for groceries and such. Online this is to an extent a default.

On this front it's also piggy backing on this idea that if something is in public on the internet then it must be for everyone even if the context of public is someone's personal blog you would only find if you had a link to it. So if one group of people doesn't like this content EVERYONE must be shielded from it and the government must do something about how offended they are that not everything is for them. What a mess.

It is a mess indeed and with AI there will be even more mess. I wonder if there is any big public company that didn't exploit their customers. It's like it always happens when it's close to being a monopoly. It's sad because they have their claws everywhere now and it seems everything today is being monetized and marketed online, even people. I'm curious where that will go in the next years with AI on board. What will be the next step after streamers on twitch, emotional exhibitionism on tiktok and onlyfans lol. Or most will get that cognitive deterioration and we'll see something else in people being always online and getting dopamine hit after hit with glutamate toxicity and our beloved emfs plus AI induced psychosis and megalomania with falling IQ, there must exist a threshold where the brain will start to nope out.

There is an interesting theory that AI was made in the image of it's creators, so if we have some narcissistic tech bro guy that prefers to tell lies to present himself always in the best light, it's easy to see how they would gladly implent that logic in AI, because they think it's ok to do that. But it's more probably testing on production, still unsettling, the amount of errors it creates.

About yt and tt, it's time someone made an app that would show unfiltered content and allow people to apply and program their own filter, without algorithms of these big platforms or AI. I don't know if that's possible but that would be awesome and maybe a solution to AI algorithms. No more filter bubble, cluttered feed, censorship or forced divisive agenda. They are already introducing AI to filter yt content for kids in some countries based on yt searches, lol these dudes suddenly woke up after pushing pathological videos to everyone now they care about kids, it's a preshow to internet ID. It would be better if we could choose what to filter out, not leave that for anyone else to decide, so, internet run on our own algorithms.

 

[I am sick]

It is a mess indeed and with AI there will be even more mess. I wonder if there is any big public company that didn't exploit their customers. It's like it always happens when it's close to being a monopoly. It's sad because they have their claws everywhere now and it seems everything today is being monetized and marketed online, even people. I'm curious where that will go in the next years with AI on board. What will be the next step after streamers on twitch, emotional exhibitionism on tiktok and onlyfans lol. Or most will get that cognitive deterioration and we'll see something else in people being always online and getting dopamine hit after hit with glutamate toxicity and our beloved emfs plus AI induced psychosis and megalomania with falling IQ, there must exist a threshold where the brain will start to nope out.

There is an interesting theory that AI was made in the image of it's creators, so if we have some narcissistic tech bro guy that prefers to tell lies to present himself always in the best light, it's easy to see how they would gladly implent that logic in AI, because they think it's ok to do that. But it's more probably testing on production, still unsettling, the amount of errors it creates.

About yt and tt, it's time someone made an app that would show unfiltered content and allow people to apply and program their own filter, without algorithms of these big platforms or AI. I don't know if that's possible but that would be awesome and maybe a solution to AI algorithms. No more filter bubble, cluttered feed, censorship or forced divisive agenda. They are already introducing AI to filter yt content for kids in some countries based on yt searches, lol these dudes suddenly woke up after pushing pathological videos to everyone now they care about kids, it's a preshow to internet ID. It would be better if we could choose what to filter out, not leave that for anyone else to decide, so, internet run on our own algorithms.

Hi
I watched some Ai generated audio books , and I thought about getting into that to help pay medical bills lol
But the more I watched they became concerning.
The Ai or the creaters were not proof reading or they were not watching what they created to see or hear the mistakes of simple words turning into vulgar words. Not suitable for children at all.
I was watching the ones that were text to speach and they also provideing text at the bottom on the screen.

Were some of them completely Ai ?
Or a joint person creation ?
I honestly dont know!

I have also watched some brilliantly done audio books that can be watched by any age!

Almost perfect creations !


I chose not to pursue in doing them
Because I did not think I could not guarentee No errors for viewers!

 

[Viala]

The Ai or the creaters were not proof reading or they were not watching what they created to see or hear the mistakes of simple words turning into vulgar words. Not suitable for children at all.

I doubt that most people check thoroughly what AI did if it's longer than a few minutes and for free, unless it's for sale. There a trend now on yt to make long AI videos, but from what I've seen people do not like it. It's almost like cheating. Joint creation would be much better.

 

[Dysfunkion]

It is a mess indeed and with AI there will be even more mess. I wonder if there is any big public company that didn't exploit their customers. It's like it always happens when it's close to being a monopoly. It's sad because they have their claws everywhere now and it seems everything today is being monetized and marketed online, even people. I'm curious where that will go in the next years with AI on board. What will be the next step after streamers on twitch, emotional exhibitionism on tiktok and onlyfans lol. Or most will get that cognitive deterioration and we'll see something else in people being always online and getting dopamine hit after hit with glutamate toxicity and our beloved emfs plus AI induced psychosis and megalomania with falling IQ, there must exist a threshold where the brain will start to nope out.

There is an interesting theory that AI was made in the image of it's creators, so if we have some narcissistic tech bro guy that prefers to tell lies to present himself always in the best light, it's easy to see how they would gladly implent that logic in AI, because they think it's ok to do that. But it's more probably testing on production, still unsettling, the amount of errors it creates.

About yt and tt, it's time someone made an app that would show unfiltered content and allow people to apply and program their own filter, without algorithms of these big platforms or AI. I don't know if that's possible but that would be awesome and maybe a solution to AI algorithms. No more filter bubble, cluttered feed, censorship or forced divisive agenda. They are already introducing AI to filter yt content for kids in some countries based on yt searches, lol these dudes suddenly woke up after pushing pathological videos to everyone now they care about kids, it's a preshow to internet ID. It would be better if we could choose what to filter out, not leave that for anyone else to decide, so, internet run on our own algorithms.

Honestly I don't think due to the nature of monopolies that ever happens. That "claws in everything" problem is becoming very apparent now. The safety acts are not about that content specifically, they're just using it as an entry point because people care less if that gets goes first and some will fall for it. If you read the fine print, they want all communications eventually AI monitored but this will also be nearly impossible and the people behind this clearly don't know how the internet works. Every AI monitoring system I ever seen has been a disaster. You can integrate all the AI you want but it will only make things worse because the AI dragnet will be literally everything that it will just be unencrypted noise without any context that no country with real problems has any time or resources for. For example it's estimated that there is over 2 trillion messages sent every year through a cell phone provider. That is just one of the major one's, now multiply that again and add every service with messaging ever across all systems. Yeah even for AI, good luck! It's just absurd and on that front I have faith. It completely disregards all technological barriers to doing so. Like for example an MMO video game I was playing last night with messaging, how would you monitor an enclosed system like that on a global scale even with AI? The systems it is running on are probably so vastly different that even without encryption that it wouldn't work. People are also starting to realize this thankfully and a handful of companies aren't folding to it. The reason they went for payment processors first is obvious because the best way to try to force anyone to do anything is buy going for their money.

AI always needs to be in the image of whoever created it, yeah it can and does in Google's case use neural networks but AI doesn't magically get made out of thin air. There's always bias in base programming, it doesn't matter what you're using. The danger in AI is that once that base and bias is made it just starts doing things within it's ability to do so. It's automatic once engaged. It can be told to discriminate and then have no discrimination in the controlled environment and be left alone. That's one of the most dangerous things in the universe especially if you consider it's most extreme end like a military application of it.

On Youtube, you can actually if your account hasn't been hit with the verification thing yet see what it will be like if you don't show it if you enter "protected mode" I think it's called. There was a video of someone showing what happens when you engage it (that I forgot off the top of my head) but it's being used to censor random content and specifically a lot of videos talking about the topic itself disappear. Sometimes what disappears doesn't even make any sense as it doesn't contain anything that violates anything. It's not that you are barred access but see it, it's that you don't see the content at all but it appears to still be direct link accessible. Right now I'm in the process of degoogling everything and trying my best to not trip the ID thing. I watch many video game videos and that hasn't seemed to have done it yet, hope it stays that way. Honestly I think Youtube is a sinking ship, no one will be posting much of anything there anymore because the AI moderation is so out of control that everything you do is like walking on eggshells. Posting a video of going for a walk outside is like an AI verification flagging minefield. Heard a clip of one song in public from a car driving by? Say goodbye to your video! Youtube was already almost broken but this was the final nail in that coffin. I actually found an alternative that is starting to look promising called Peertube, was just exploring it this morning and I really like it.

 

[southwestforests]

There a trend now on yt to make long AI videos, but from what I've seen people do not like it.

Yep, have seen that and and I self identify as one of those people on a number of AI videos.
Some AI videos as mentioned in another comment were interesting and entertaining.

I actually found an alternative that is starting to look promising called Peertube, was just exploring it this morning and I really like it.

Ahh, did not know of it, thanks! Off to go have a look at it.

 

[Dysfunkion]

Yep, have seen that and and I self identify as one of those people on a number of AI videos.
Some AI videos as mentioned in another comment were interesting and entertaining.



Ahh, did not know of it, thanks! Off to go have a look at it.

Yep, have seen that and and I self identify as one of those people on a number of AI videos.
Some AI videos as mentioned in another comment were interesting and entertaining.



Ahh, did not know of it, thanks! Off to go have a look at it.

Yeah I think it just got a stable release in July according to the wiki page anyways. It appears to work by creating a channel on one of the peertube platforms and from there you can make videos but you need to apply for an account. I haven't done that yet so I don't really know socially how those profiles like that work but seems simple enough. You can search videos across all platorms on the main peertube site. For peer to peer I'm surprised how fast it is, I even was able to watch a 1080p 60 fps video on there with no stuttering and the cpu load is much less. It's not centralized so you don't from what I see appear to have a main Peertube profile. For that more centralized experience I do like Odysee though.

 

[southwestforests]

You can search videos across all platorms on the main peertube site.

Went to what I think was the main site and searched for model trains - yep, they are there, along with railfanning videos of actual trains.

 

[Wayne]

He's a brave man to be talking like that In public.

I think you nailed it. I've long thought of him as a fearless spiritual warrior. Speaking truth in a dark world certainly has it's risks. He's also probably the foremost proponent of letting the world know about the Sound of HU (see my signature).

the creative process has been the most spiritually deep thing I've done.

I discovered the Sound of HU many years ago. Eckankar makes little HU cards that I sometimes share with people who might be interested. They give a brief description of how and why HU can be spiritually helpful. Artists and musicians in particular often seem open to it because of its ability to enhance the creative process.

I once met a street musician and, after we’d been talking a while, I showed him the HU card. He was immediately interested and soon began singing it out loud. Then he said something like, “That’s the sound I’ve been hearing all my life.” He seemed delighted to gain new insights into experiences he'd long wondered about.

Singing HU (song or mantra) can help bring a person into a state of deep stillness. This is where pure love and the creative process flourish. Einstein often said his best creative work came while in such a quiet, centered state. Singing HU can be helpful in reaching that state.

Just thought I’d mention this to another artist—in case you’re interested.

 

[Viala]

You can integrate all the AI you want but it will only make things worse because the AI dragnet will be literally everything that it will just be unencrypted noise without any context that no country with real problems has any time or resources for. For example it's estimated that there is over 2 trillion messages sent every year through a cell phone provider. That is just one of the major one's, now multiply that again and add every service with messaging ever across all systems. Yeah even for AI, good luck! It's just absurd and on that front I have faith. It completely disregards all technological barriers to doing so.

I hope you're right that it would be impossible. It's like that with fluoride, countries that do not have too much money can't afford to put it in a drinking water. They could increase taxes though to cover these expenses or demand that companies would provide surveillance for them at their own cost. Which would lead to an even bigger monopoly. Countries like US, UK, Canada will introduce it first. I'm curious how that works in China because they're the first to try such things. It can be impossible now, but they could start with something, maybe monitoring only part of the internet and messages at random or focus on areas or people they find not aligned with their agenda. It would be ridiculous if we'd have to pay for them to be our big brother which nobody wants anyways, but it would be nothing new in this world. It almost feels like covid was a gateway act to unleash on people loads of silly ideas and no one is even protesting now, as it was with ACTA for example. Or maybe the dangling carrot is big enough and they can't see anymore because it seems fun. Or they will wake up three years too late as usual.

Yeah that bias in programming will be multiplied like a virus on a grand AI scale. One error or discriminative instruction in the initial chain of command will result in a giant butterfly effect. I wonder if corporations aren't afraid of sabotage incorporating AI full-scale, it would be just too easy for hackers to knock them out if half of the companies were AI.

YT also shoots itself in the foot with forced commercials, they're just asking for a new player to take over the scene. These corporations are so rigid with copyright, yet they didn't have a problem to use pirated content to feed AI and steal from artists using their software. Rules for thee but not for me. This story is as old as the world. The right of the strongest repeated no matter how technologically advanced we are. Seems like someone programmed homo sapiens with a supposed error too, make stronger one feed on the weaker, how twisted is that and so demiurgesque.