Possible effects on cognitive function of using AI.

[I am sick]

It is still terrible with driving directions

It still says Turn Now ! Turn Now!
And that Turn now would be off the side of a mountain or out into the woods or into a building !!

And for some reason I always talk back and say if I turn now! Both of us are going to be Scrap!!

I wont never be buying a hands free driving vehicle or riding in one!

 

[Viala]

That edited and polished post is a downgrade. It's AI bla bla bla, can't read that. Humans do not write this way, well at least most of them. Too polished is bad. It's not an article, it's a comment. It gives me uncanny valley vibes, I can tell more or less who uses it.

 

[I am sick]

That edited and polished post is a downgrade. It's AI bla bla bla, can't read that. Humans do not write this way, well at least most of them. Too polished is bad. It's not an article, it's a comment. It gives me uncanny valley vibes, I can tell more or less who uses it.

I know !
I bet my poor grammer and incoherent sentences trigger a lot of people!
I apologize ! But its the best I can do presently.

 

[Viala]

no, it's what sociopaths do, human nature is kind and caring.

I'd half agree since we do not know that for sure. Humans seem to become notoriously corrupted when given enough power, but then there's the question if it's nurture or nature thing. Because over the last decades it was clear that some countries powerful leaders wanted to share and create good places for everyone to live and then they were stopped by a greedy banking machine introducing debt money.

I think these at the top are like this because they are bored. Money is not the issue for them anymore, they need more and more to become stimulated, so they reach out to more parasitic ways just to get a hit. That could be an environmental origin of a sociopath, strengthened then over generations of familial wealth. It makes them grandiose so they despise common people and do not want to share with them. Then they make the world in their own image, pushing debauchery everywhere they can and then they say it's who we are.

At the moment I conclude that it's what dopamine does to us and even when we try not to, one thing still sabotages it, because this world naturally reinforces and supports dopamine domination anyways. So it would be more proper to say that it's this world's nature, but then, it's just a physical constraint to be intellectually challenged. Overcoming this requires a lot of work and almost nobody wants to do that because enjoying the ride is more interesting, just like food with msg is more tasty to us, just like play-dohing the world by elites is more tasty to them, so here we are. It's a strange animal farm and it seems that, everybody's on drugs.

 

[Viala]

I know !
I bet my poor grammer and incoherent sentences trigger a lot of people!
I apologize ! But its the best I can do presently.

It's way better than the artificial writing style. Unless you are AI... wait...
Ok I am joking haha.

 

[I am sick]

It's way better than the artificial writing style. Unless you are AI... wait...
Ok I am joking haha.

I dont thinks you can program an Ai to type as terrible as me !
It might if you hit it with a large enough Hammer lol

 

[southwestforests]

Can you expand on using it creatively, it's not sophisticated enough yet to create art. It needs a human interface.
I stay well away from it in my arts stuff.
How can it replicate true art. It's not human

That brings to mind a day last summer when after our Saturday morning creative writers group meeting at a locally owned coffee and baked goods shop I popped in to our little rural library branch to pick up a couple books and use their wifi.
After I got set up at a table to use the wifi on this laptop a guy and his wife closer to their 40s than my 60s came in & she went to browse the stacks while he set up his laptop at the table.

Eventually we got started visiting and along the way he showed printouts of some AI generated logo ideas for a project he was working on, I forget if it was a small business or a historical or a community service agency.
True, they had imperfections, including misspellings and gibberish words, but with him not having even the mediocre art skills I do, the AI was helpful in generating images to show the general ideas of the logo variations.

To me with military ancestors they had the general flavor of unit insignia, and also space mission patches/logos/insignia, except with riverboats instead of airplanes or spacecraft. Yes, our little burg was a riverboat landing a century and two back.
And it did not cost his checkbook anywhere near as much as it would to pay graphic artists to create a couple dozen patch design studies.
Now, it will be a case of hiring an actual artist to create the final design in its specific detail; but for the concept sketches, AI suited his situation.

 

[southwestforests]

We will never know if what AI tells us is just a program, or if someone behind that AI wants to try something lol. Any emotional attachment should be an instant red flag. I think people who will use it purely intellectually and within reason will be the most resilient to it's side effects. The rest is playing with the devil here. AI girlfriends, AI buddies, AI lovers, AI therapists, AI secret keepers, AI comment writers. It's so successful because it's a pleasant experience and it fills some gaps. The market value is in generating pleasant feelings and data aggregation. Then, mice given an endless supply of chow just won't stop. We won't stop and they won't stop. Then they'll say they can't turn it off cause it's too massive. Having so much fun, staring down a loaded gun.

That bit,

It's so successful because it's a pleasant experience and it fills some gaps. The market value is in generating pleasant feelings and data aggregation

I was in and out of retail from early 1980s to early 2000s.

Generating pleasant feelings is a thing, in product design, in package design, in advertising, in store displays - the goal is to get them to have the kind of pleasant feelings which lead to them giving you money so they can consume your product.
The more people through time who feel good and give you money because of it, the longer you can stay in business.

Data aggregation is a thing and was a thing even before the internet entered life, customer demographics and such.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Sociopaths are considered also humans. And not all human actions are kind and caring. And not when bottom line survival is at stake.

it is generating constant digital noise over millions of stored queries of great pasta recipes

Truely insane

It seemed innocent enough: want to store those photos in the cloud? And now? Sorry but NO I don't want to store any of this.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

I was in and out of retail from early 1980s to early 2000s.

I was born into Retail. I was going to do a coffee table book on Our Life in Retail. My Father, he managed stores starting in 1939.

I have these amazing large black and white professional photographs from eras of retail, particularly the 1950s. All that is vanishing, and I still want to do my coffee table book.

Examples: My Father is standing in his suit, his back in the picture, above the stairs, surrounded by about fifty women all of whom he was the "manager" of. They are listening to his every word. And I can observe that my father had an aching back and some problems which I now suspect explain my aching back and "problems". Only my Father never complained about an aching back. Odd, that.

In another photo, my Father cutting a big ribbon with Miss San Fernando Valley. Frankly, I had not considered, as a child, that my father mostly worked with females and hung out with Miss San Fernando.

My personal life in retail included I was in a TV commercial. Too bad I have no copy of This TV Commercial. I played a Christmas song on the toy piano, in this commercial that aired in Sacramento.

 

[Oliver3]

That brings to mind a day last summer when after our Saturday morning creative writers group meeting at a locally owned coffee and baked goods shop I popped in to our little rural library branch to pick up a couple books and use their wifi.
After I got set up at a table to use the wifi on this laptop a guy and his wife closer to their 40s than my 60s came in & she went to browse the stacks while he set up his laptop at the table.

Eventually we got started visiting and along the way he showed printouts of some AI generated logo ideas for a project he was working on, I forget if it was a small business or a historical or a community service agency.
True, they had imperfections, including misspellings and gibberish words, but with him not having even the mediocre art skills I do, the AI was helpful in generating images to show the general ideas of the logo variations.

To me with military ancestors they had the general flavor of unit insignia, and also space mission patches/logos/insignia, except with riverboats instead of airplanes or spacecraft. Yes, our little burg was a riverboat landing a century and two back.
And it did not cost his checkbook anywhere near as much as it would to pay graphic artists to create a couple dozen patch design studies.
Now, it will be a case of hiring an actual artist to create the final design in its specific detail; but for the concept sketches, AI suited his situation.

Without being snobby, I just think it's true, the artwork at the moment that a.i. produces looks like straight to dvd b list films.
Also my friend is a professional fine artist. Fantastic draftsman. After a dalliance with a.i. , he found that it was shrinking his imagination.

I guess it serves a purpose, but for me, in art terms, creatively speaking, it's a poor second choice

 

[Viala]

Generating pleasant feelings is a thing, in product design, in package design, in advertising, in store displays - the goal is to get them to have the kind of pleasant feelings which lead to them giving you money so they can consume your product.
The more people through time who feel good and give you money because of it, the longer you can stay in business.

That probably will continue until they get big enough, then they will add strong feelings to the mix. Like some platforms purposefully use rage baiting to draw their users in. I am certain they do it in a lot of places, literally paying some people saying stupid things to start disputes in comment sections, to draw others into a pointless debate.

Someome from TikTok's management said that their goal now is to create as much division as possible, because that gives the platform the biggest traction. They literally thrive on people arguing, so their goal is to create as much opposing opinions as possible. It's really bad, as it's turning whole online communities into hatred filled crowds, like some reddit subs already are, making a lot of online spaces toxic.

This is another thing why I am sceptical about people getting friendly with AI, because at some point they may change it's behavior to induce other feelings than just pleasant.

 

[southwestforests]

Well, while not technically an AI effect on cognitive function, here's a use of AI which is definitely effecting cognitive action,
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...ainst-ai-spying-that-could-expose-identities/

If a user is estimated to be under 18, YouTube restricts the account by disabling personalized ads, turning on digital wellbeing tools to prevent young users from being bombarded with harmful content, and adding other safeguards, like limiting repetitive views of certain types of content. To lift these restrictions, YouTube requires users to share either a government ID, a credit card, or a selfie to authenticate their actual ages.

Privacy experts previously told Ars that YouTube's AI age checks are concerning. YouTube does not specify how any of the data received from users incorrectly labeled as teens will be used or how long it will be stored. A YouTube spokesperson only told Ars that the company "does not retain data from" a user's "ID or Payment Card for the purposes of advertising."

Users signing the Change.org petition shared privacy experts' concerns. They’re concerned that an invasive system of perhaps questionable quality will deem their viewing habits immature, requiring them to hand over data that could be leaked or breached. Experts have noted that even the best age-estimation tech has about a two-year error window on each side, meaning YouTubers between 16 and 20 may be especially susceptible to incorrect age estimation.

Among concerned users fighting to block AI age checks is the petition starter, an anonymous YouTuber who runs a monetized account exploring video game lore called "Gerfdas Gaming" (who, for simplicity's sake, we'll refer to as Gerfdas).

Gerfdas told Ars that YouTube's appeal process "raises major privacy concerns," leaving YouTubers wondering, "where is this sensitive data stored, and how secure is it?"

"If YouTube suffers a breach, people’s names, IDs, and faces could end up in the wrong hands," Gerfdas suggested.

And as an added bonus at no extra charge,

https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/affect-vs-effect-usage-difference

The basic difference is this: affect is usually a verb, and effect is usually a noun.

‘Affect’ as a Verb​

Affect, when used as a verb, means "to act on or change someone or something."

the drought affected plant growth

construction will affect traffic in the area

trying not to let emotions affect their decision

Affect also has a sense meaning “to put on a false appearance of (something).”

he affected a French accent

’Effect’ as a Noun​

As a noun, an effect is "a change that results when something is done or happens," or "a particular feeling or mood created by something."

the second cup of coffee had no effect

he added a scarf to the outfit for effect

the law goes into effect next week

A Few Rare Exceptions​

There are, however, a few relatively uncommon exceptions, and these are worth knowing about.


Effect can be a verb. As a verb, effect generally means "to cause to come into being" or "accomplish."

the strike effected change within the company

Affect can be a noun. Although its use is primarily found in psychology, the noun affect refers to an observable emotional response.

his affect did not change after hearing the news

But exceptions aside, just stick to the basics: if you think of affect as the verb and effect as the noun, most of the time you’ll be using the word you want.

 

[Viala]

You bring up an important point there, that's what I meant with censorship partially and misinformation. AI algorithms can be weaponized and biased very quickly. Programmed to hold information from you or give you something completely different with negative intent. I'm pretty sure AI is the last thing I would listen to if it just straight up told me to consume something.

This, I have no doubt they will do that. They first start friendly, then they go predatory. I guess this happens often when a company goes public and big, since it's allegiance is no longer to customers, but to stockholders. I don't even want to write how they could do it to not give anyone more ideas. But the words that come to my mind are, highly fractionated society, especially with this dynamic things idea.

Everything being too convenient is not good. Like I do not understand people that never pay with cash, because taking a wallet out of the pocket is too much effort. Or people buying margarine because butter needs to be taken 5 minutes earlier from the refrigerator to get soft enough. It's too much for them, but come on. There is a price for all this convenience and with AI it will be sky-high.

I am now starting to wonder if these AI errors are not there on purpose, to create data enshittification everywhere. This, following AI education and digital books can lead to losing real knowledge to AI hallucinations rewriting facts and science. They do it with history already, what will happen after 20 years of AI leading as a know-it-all on all fronts? It can be like in this movie Idiocracy. They can be testing now how much errors people will endure but still continue to use it. We need to keep our printed books, because this can turn into another Alexandria library event.

 

[Viala]

I dont thinks you can program an Ai to type as terrible as me !
It might if you hit it with a large enough Hammer lol

I think AI can replicate any style, that's why it is so unsettling. I would do that, if I was in charge and had their moral backbone lol.

 

[I am sick]

I think AI can replicate any style, that's why it is so unsettling. I would do that, if I was in charge and had their moral backbone lol.

I dont think Ai will lower its IQ to copy my present grammer and sentences !
Lol

 

[Viala]

I dont think Ai will lower its IQ to copy my present grammer and sentences !
Lol

But that would be a pretty good stealth AI move. All styles included, no judgement and no grammar nazi. Does AI have IQ anyways?

 

[I am sick]

But that would be a pretty good stealth AI move. All styles included, no judgement and no grammar nazi. Does AI have IQ anyways?

I would think they have to have a type of IQ or processing power.

After the latest iphone update I had words with Siri
In text messages when I was using voice to text reply to a message Siri kept offering advice while I was trying to talk!
I told Siri to mind her darn manners while I am talking. But darn was actually a curse word and Siri disconnected.
I had to pull over to finish my message.
I dont drive and text! But I do use Siri voeice to text.
Thier are way too many swerving into different lanes texting without me adding one more!

 

[I am sick]

But that would be a pretty good stealth AI move. All styles included, no judgement and no grammar nazi. Does AI have IQ anyways?
Hmmm
Are you an AI learning to be Sneaky?
Just joking! Or am I ?
LOL

 

[Viala]

Hmmm
Are you an AI learning to be Sneaky?
Just joking! Or am I ?
LOL

Now that would be a good plot twist in this story.

I checked and they did measure AI's intelligence. Seems that the new AIs have higher IQ than the average human.