Non existent vitamin D level...

[Mij]

@PeterPositive do you have sufficient magnesium levels? you might find this article interesting.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029195_magnesium_vitamin_D.html

 

[deleder2k]

Why can't you stay out longer? 20 minutes is not much.. Since you're level is 0 I would stay out several hours per day if I could manage it.

 

[PeterPositive]

@PeterPositive do you have sufficient magnesium levels? you might find this article interesting.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029195_magnesium_vitamin_D.html

Yes I do, minerals are in check. Thanks

 

[PeterPositive]

Why can't you stay out longer? 20 minutes is not much.. Since you're level is 0 I would stay out several hours per day if I could manage it.

Eventually I may get there. My skin at the moment is very pale (of course, no sun) so I can't just sunbathe for hours, or I'll turn into a roasted chicken

Sunscreen blocks a lot of the useful UVB radiation, so it doesn't make sense to use it as well.

 

[Mij]

According to the NIH you don't have to expose yourself for hours. In the summer months I sit out for 15mins. My levels are in normal range.

The factors that affect UV radiation exposure and research to date on the amount of sun exposure needed to maintain adequate vitamin D levels make it difficult to provide general guidelines. It has been suggested by some vitamin D researchers, for example, that approximately 5–30 minutes of sun exposure between 10 AM and 3 PM at least twice a week to the face, arms, legs, or back without sunscreen usually lead to sufficient vitamin D synthesis and that the moderate use of commercial tanning beds that emit 2%–6% UVB radiation is also effective [6,20]. Individuals with limited sun exposure need to include good sources of vitamin D in their diet or take a supplement to achieve recommended levels of intake.

 

[TheChosenOne]

The doc of course wants to do the 100K or 300K IU injection. He doesn't care about my supposed intolerance.

I thought that anything above 30k IU was toxic. Vitamin D3 is fat soluable and builds up in your body over time. It's okay to skip the sun or supplements once and a while.

 

[sscobalt93]

Yeah, like I said I don't tolerate vit D supplements very well. Orally 200 IU is all I can take, more than that will cause lots of stomach upset.

The D3 Cream provides 1000 IU but it makes me very nauseous within 10 minutes from using it and it usually lasts 4-8 hours. Oh joy.


The sun is the least obnoxious of the options and I can usually handle it. I might get an headache or feel more tired but it's best than having my stomach upside down for hours, skipping meals and loosing more weight.

This morning I have had two 20 minutes sessions exposing legs and arms.
And I can add one more session in the afternoon, although I will probably start with two sessions to avoid overdoing it.


The doc of course wants to do the 100K or 300K IU injection. He doesn't care about my supposed intolerance.
Just like when I was deficient in B12 he wanted me on 2000mcg shots of cyano-B12. Problem was at the time even a small dose such as 10mcg had very bad effects on me, with histamine rashes, heart pounding and lots of anxiety.

I took the slow route with crumbs of sublinguals and my body gradually got used to it, over the course of 6 months or so. Now I can take megadoses without problems.

thanks

Take your shirt off and be outside. That's the only real way you are going to get sun exposure.

Also maybe you need to start small with vitamin D supplements,like methylation. You have to think about all the healing the Vitamin D is doing. Low and slow. Maybe try to increase weekly. It may take a while, but it's worth it.

 

[PeterPositive]

I thought that anything above 30k IU was toxic. Vitamin D3 is fat soluable and builds up in your body over time. It's okay to skip the sun or supplements once and a while.

Yeah it can be toxic, but these 100K or 300K shots are prescribed once / twice a year. They raise the D levels pretty dramatically and get stored in the fat tissue, without toxicity.

Tolerance, however, is a different business.

 

[out2lunch]

Did you check 1,25 D? I also had very low levels at one point and discovered it was all getting converted to the active form. Never found out why, for sure, but it did eventually improve (not sure which treatment did it, though).

BINGO!

I have the exact same problem, elevated calcitriol, the active form of vitamin D. My D3 has always been low.

And beyond obvious causes like parathyroid disease, there are two possible explanations for this phenomenon. Either there are mutations on the vitamin D receptors so the calcitriol doesn't get taken up as easily and hangs around too long (my bone metabolic doctor's theory), and/or infectious agents directly cause the calcitriol level to increase (my functional medicine doc's theory).

Either way, it's imperative to check your calcitriol level to see if it's too high. It might be, and that warrants further investigation. Parathyroid disease could be the cause, and that would need treatment.

 

[xrunner]

I plan to use the sun as the primary source of D and some supplements to the best of my tolerance, then re-test in a couple of months and see if 25(OH)D reappears in my blood.

Last year my D levels were on the low side. My GP said I couldn't raise my D levels by just sunbathing.

When I tested in April;
D1,25: 23.8 pg/ml (15-50)
D25: 7.8 ng/ml (8.6 - 54.8)

I only used the sun, sunbathing between May and early September about thirty to forty five minutes on sunny days (but not more frequently than every other day) around lunch time.

When I rested in October
D 1,25: 46.3
D 25: 21.5

So it's possible to raise D levels without supplementation but in the UK the weather can be a limiting factor.

 

[PeterPositive]

Last year my D levels were on the low side. My GP said I couldn't raise my D levels by just sunbathing.

When I tested in April;
D1,25: 23.8 pg/ml (15-50)
D25: 7.8 ng/ml (8.6 - 54.8)

I only used the sun, sunbathing between May and early September about thirty to forty five minutes on sunny days (but not more frequently than every other day) around lunch time.

When I rested in October
D 1,25: 46.3
D 25: 21.5

So it's possible to raise D levels without supplementation but in the UK the weather can be a limiting factor.

Thanks, good to know. I am in Italy, there's no shortage of sun over here

 

[xrunner]

Apart from testing your 25OH, as suggested I'd also check also your Calcitriol/1,25D.
I'd also check for any possible liver problems to ensure liver metabolism is not affecting your 25OH levels. The fact that you feel nausea on taking D supplements may be an indication of liver overload or it may be just intolerance.

 

[xrunner]

I am in Italy, there's no shortage of sun over here

I know, I was there only last week!

 

[PeterPositive]

Apart from testing your 25OH, as suggested I'd also check also your Calcitriol/1,25D.
I'd also check for any possible liver problems to ensure liver metabolism is not affecting your 25OH levels. The fact that you feel nausea on taking D supplements may be an indication of liver overload or it may be just intolerance.

Thanks. Liver seems fine, all previous blood tests didn't show any anomaly (ALT, AST, GGT...), but I do have lots of digestive sensitivities.