This sounds kind of weird possibly, but I've noticed I have more mental energy and clarity the day after I consume mayonnaise before bed (I'm on a Ketogenic diet). Could the vinegar be having some gut-related effect?
That's interesting because I've always craved vinegar, e.g. adding it to soups and even sometimes drinking it with water. Also, sour candy as a kid, which contains the similar malic acid. Malic acid is one thing recommended for fibromyalgia.@outdamnspot
While the vinegar content in the mayo is small, I can still taste it. One reason why you might like it is because you're on a keto diet, and perhaps you're having trouble digesting the increased fat intake? Maybe not, but if taking vinegar separately does the same thing, you'll know.
Of course, the mixture of the vinegar with the oil within the mayo may help break down the oil for easier digestion, giving you better fat absorption.
I tend toward high stomach acid, sometimes way too high after certain types of foods... like lots of peanut butter.@outdamnspot @Sherlock
Have either of you been tested for low stomach HCL? Of course, your symptomatic improvement is good enough proof to do it anyway.
BTW: I eat mayonnaise every day (and take vinegar or pickled relish alongside to help digest its fat and the cheese I'm eating with it)!
Sure, ask anything I do not have acid stomach all the time.Can I ask a further question? Usually, vinegar would exacerbate a person's high stomach acidity. Do you have GERD (acid reflux)? Just curious.
Sure, ask anything I do not have acid stomach all the time.
Nope, no GERD for me. I do not fit the physical profile, either. However, I would get episodic reflux only at those rare times when my stomach is on fire from what I ate - and I am laying down.
I had a very few bad episodes of extreme GI inflammation and uncharacteristically low BP. One time I forced myself to walk during one and I ended up regaining consciousness on the floor.
Thanks, I appreciate your observations.OK, thanks for clarifying. I'm not sure if this is true for you, since you've not mentioned have a definitive diagnosis. From what I've learned over the last 31 years, it is actually not as common to have true high HCL. Among sick people, esp. ME, the more likely scenario is low HCL.
Thanks, I appreciate your observations.
Btw I think the malic acid had immediate benefit for me, not because of the acidity, but because of something in the malic side. I don't think it has to do directly with ATP, either.
Aha, that's interesting.Yes, I think so too. I craved sour candy as a kid also!
Just as an update, I continued my mayonnaise experiment where permitted: I eat it before bed and it can cause awful nausea, so it's not something I can do every night. I actually did sincerely notice an increase in energy the next day whenever I consumed it. However, two nights ago I tried it and had the most awful crash, akin to the crashes I get from other 'bad' foods like dairy.
I'm a bit confused. It's a brand I've used before. It contains no dairy -- it's just eggs, vinegar, canola oil and 'herb' and 'spice' extract. Wondering if this is another food that's turned on me, or maybe just something in the product (my parents buy a couple of different brands).
It's possible that the brand was inferior either in initial quality or storage or ingredients. We use only 1 (U.S.) brand, and it's expeller-pressed canola oil. That's significant because solvent contamination (from extracting the canola oil from the seeds) can encourage pathogenic organisms to multiply (I can get you a reference on that, if you'd like). The reason why I raise this is because you likened your symptoms to those after dairy, which are also known to contain pathogenic organisms (in addition to other possible triggers such as lactose, etc.).
P.S. I wish our brand were actually organic and made from another oil. Canola is cheap; that's why they use it. But it has some drawbacks I've read about (none serious. However, we're unaware of another U.S. brand that makes OG, expeller-pressed NON-Canola mayonnaise.
Also, remember to provide additional dietary acid along with the mayo (if needed) to help break down the fat more easily. That is another possible option.