Lymbic Downregulation

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LYMBIC DOWNREGULATION!
There's a lot 'out there' about the Lymbic system and ME. Has anyone found any of it helpful/work?
I'm not necessarily meaning expensive brain retraining programs but cheaper simpler ways?
Thanks!
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Hi! For me, brain retraining is really the only thing that has ever moved the needle. I started out bedridden and getting very close to being unable to get to the bathroom anymore (I had a commode that I used sometimes). I am still housebound, but after brain retraining I can get all my own meals (previously they were brought to me in bed), and use my whole house, not just my bedroom. I also needed to be in the dark and wear earplugs all the time when I started, but I'm okay with light and sound now. I had been bedridden for 25 years, but I was also going downhill. It has meant the world to me to have these improvements--such a quality of life upgrade!

There are for sure free ways to do this! you could try EFT tapping (learn on youtube or Instagram), self havening, and just learning more about how the limbic system works, and about polyvagal theory. All of the brain retraining programs I have learned really dovetail with these strategies:

1. self care, by encouraging yourself through difficult moments, spending as much time as possible in a "happy bubble" with as little stress as possible--I know it's hard!! But with little steps, I think most people can make some progress towards that. It doesn't have to be perfect. :redface: And it's not forever, just until your brain heals. In polyvagal theory that is called ventral vagal state--rest, digest, and heal. Tapping and self havening can help you stay in that state for more time.
2. paying attention to your thoughts and noticing when they are unpleasant, then applying that self compassion and kindness and helping yourself through those moments, then getting back on track with your happy bubble when you can
3. setting aside time every day for complete relaxation, whatever that looks like for you. Could be any kind of pleasant meditation, enjoying happy memories, spending time completely focused on an affectionate pet, etc. Get "greedy" and make sure it's really wonderful! You deserve it and your brain needs it to heal.
4. for me it was tremendously helpful to notice and keep track of any wins I have in a journal (I just used an app on my phone)! I don't mean symptoms disappearing (although those too! ), but little shifts in mood, times when I brought myself back to ventral vagal, and even noticing my mental state so I can intervene. You can't stop something you don't know about, so noticing is actually a huge win, and it took me years to get good at that. But it's been SOOO worth it! Hopefully you'd be a quicker study. 😂

Teaching your brain to fully relax and heal you is a process, and it's important to have encouragement to keep going. 💕 it might be a few months before you notice any changes, so I recommend expecting that and deciding ahead of time how you will help yourself through any times where you need motivation to keep going. And if you decide to try this defiantly enlist support from family and friends!

It might sound like brain retraining is about psychological stuff, but it is not. It's about having a slightly wonky limbic system, a brain injury, and the only way we really have to influence that is by spending more time feeling good.

Being in ventral allows our body to heal *in general*, by teaching our brain that it's okay to chill out and heal the body. Might sound kind of *ss backwards 😉, but I know a lot of people besides me who have been helped.

There's too much to write here, but those are some starting points! Personally, I feel like I needed the structure of a program to keep me on board with those kinds of things 24/7. Also, there is a super supportive community for each program, which really helped me with ideas and persistence.

But other people have had success with just applying it themselves! If you're interested in trying, think it might be worth checking out some of my suggestions and see if any of them resonate with you. Also, if you are religious or spiritual I have noticed that it can really help to bring that higher power on board with your self-made program.

You don't need to go full bore like I described, but I think for me it was necessary to spend a ton of time on it in order to get better. You could just try out a few things and see if you like them, ESPECIALLY if you feel like any of what I described might possibly make you worse!!!! You do NOT want to trade your health for more time doing a program--it won't fix your brain (because it's stressful), and of course it's dangerous with PEM. So, go very gently, and honor your own journey! Good luck. 😊
 
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Hi Koli
I was ever so touched that you took the time and energy to write this very helpful lengthy reply.
I too am bed bound (as you were) and I have been for many years sadly. Please could you give me any helpful links or book recommendations for limbic downregulation and poly vagal theory? I would be very grateful :)
Just out of interest which brain retraining program did you do?
Thank you x
 
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Yes, I will look for some for you and come back to this! I did the DNRS program first, and then later I also did the Gupta one. I am the most knowledgeable about DNRS. They're extremely similar--I only did Gupta because I was wanting to delve more deeply into this kind of work to make sure I was getting all I could out of it.

I was EXTREMELY suspicious of these programs. But I had an ME friend (also bedbound) who wanted to try DNRS but wasn't able to look into it herself. So I thought, heck, I'll just get the program and find out what it's about and then I can tell her! Haha Since the programs don't really tell you what they are about without buying them, we wanted to know what they were. So I was SHOCKED when it actually allowed me so much improvement!

When I had been doing DNRS for a few years (still improving) I took a zoom class they offered, which is kind of like a support group--you have a teacher and 25 students. you get to ask questions and hear everyone's else's experience. It lasted 12 weeks, and at the end my class decided to start an informal support group and continue meeting on zoom without our teacher. It was there that I learned a much more expanded view of the work we were doing--about polyvagal theory, parts work (IFS), etc, because my fellow students took classes on those subjects and shared about them in our meetings!

It took me a while to get the hang of this, but in this kind of work psychological and physical experiences really kind of merge. Having been in the ME/CFS community for so many years, I had drawn a thick line between my illness (physical) and my emotional state (not ill, luckily I had not suffered much depression or anxiety as a secondary problem). That was of course because I didn't want a doctor to decide it was all in my head!!

But through these programs and just all the work I have been doing, I have needed to gently, over time, toss out that idea that they are seperate. Because I am just one being. And the fright or flight state has thought patterns that go with it, like "I have to fix this! This is not okay! It must change!" (Which obviously anyone would feel when sick in bed year after year!) And working with both the emotional and physical aspects of my "wired" sympathetic nervous system *together* has really been the way forward for me.

So you may see that phsychological stuff come up in my links, and please don't worry that I think your illness is psychological! It's just that calming our emotions, helping ourselves relax and feel safe, can allow our BRAIN and hence our body to start functioning a little better. Sometimes a lot better!

I'll go find some links for you! I hope you have a good day today. 💕
 
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Hi! Okay, this is a lot, so please take care and pace yourself as needed. 🌸

Here's an overview of what brain retraining is and how it works:

https://neurolaunch.com/brain-retraining/

Oh, one more caveat: I know CBT has been used harmfully towards people with ME, and I totally get any resistance to the concept of it being involved here. But the people who created these brain retraining programs did take *some* ideas from CBT and adapt them to use them in their programs, in ways that are actually helpful. So, just try not to focus on that if you find it triggering--it's not really important. ;-) Just focus on what YOU find helpful, and do that. :)

By helpful, I mean, does it make you feel relaxed and comfortable? Do you feel supported and cared for? Those are the kinds of mental states we want to encourage.

So, the basis of all these programs is the idea of neuroplasticity--the brain's ability to change. Trying to change your brain on purpose is called self-directed neuroplasticity, and that means we are trying to fix the way ME has (theoretically) messed up our brains and made them really bad at regulating our bodies: insomnia, light and noise sensitivity, headaches, flu symptoms, not being able to manufacture energy even with constant rest, feeling sicker when something stressful happens, poor immunity (like persistent viral infections), etc.

You don't have to believe that any of these symptoms are caused by a brain impairment. I didn't!! If it's going to work for you, it will just work by *consistently* (and gently) applying whatever program you develop or follow. It takes a lot of repetition for the brain to learn a new way of functioning. But it's not totally new! Most of us had a time in our lives when we were pretty healthy, so it's really just reminding our brains how to get back to that.

Here is a Cleveland clinic overview of EFT Tapping.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/eft-tapping

The interesting thing about tapping is that a lot of studies have been done about it! I haven't read them--I still don't really have the brain power for reading studies. 😆

Self-havening is another method for calming down your nervous system. This video shows you how. I personally absolutely love this video and all the affirmations, and I usually find affirmations annoying! Haha so this may or may not be your cup of tea, but it will teach you the (very simple!) technique anyway. :)

https://www.dr-eva.com/affirmational-havening

Here is a very simple overview of polyvagal theory:

https://sacredpathholistictherapy.com/what-the-polyvagal-theory-is-and-how-it-works/

In the case of ME, the main "trauma" may be whatever caused the brain malfunction in the first place, in my case a very bad flu that kept relapsing until I ended up with ME. So it doesn't have to be emotional trauma. (But it can be! And it can be a collection of different kinds of traumas, like now I definitely can see how being bedbound for decades had also been pretty traumatic for me, even though I adapted well...)

The parts work/Internal Family Systems aspect of all of this is what I would consider more "advanced" brain retraining. I would suggest revisiting that later, after maybe a year or so? But here is an overview:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...how-parts-work-helps-us-get-to-know-ourselves

So, I know this is a lot to take in, and may seem vague. But I hope it gives you somewhere to start.

You can look back at my first post and remind yourself what the main parts are of most programs: happy bubble, staying calm and relaxed, self care (emotional and physical), tracking your progress with doing the program (like progress means you worked on it on a given day, not necessarily that you have improvements. you change your behaviour first, and then your brain changes over more time), not pushing yourself too hard, noticing unpleasant emotional states and bringing yourself back to your happy bubble as well as you can. Gentleness, self compassion! Self encouragement, and encouragement from anyone you think might support you...like that!

Other potential resources:
I have heard, but do not know for sure, that some libraries have the instructional DVDs from DNRS or Gupta, so that may be another free resource, if you have access to your library. Mine has an online catalogue now, and I think there are volunteers who can bring materials to housebound people? Or maybe you know someone who would be willing to make a library run for you.

Oh! And if you are into Facebook, I think there are also Facebook groups on brain retaining (in general, no specific program), where you can join for free and discuss these topics with people who are also interested in them! That might be a good resource. If you're interested, let me know and I will ask around to see if I can find one. I believe on those kinds of groups sometimes people give away DVDs that they don't need anymore.

Good luck! It's fine to ask more questions. I'm sorry my posts are so long, but there is just so much to cover. 😂 Sending you my best wishes! 💕
 
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Hi Koli
Thank you so much for spending the time finding and collating all this info, I'm ever so grateful. I'm sorry for taking so long to get back to you.
I look forward to reading the links you so kindly shared. Please don't worry about offending me by posting links about psychological resources. I have read 'Wired for Healing' so I understand the concept of calming the limbic system.
 
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