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Legolas said:
Wouldn't it just be easier to take a silicon supplement? Instead of drinking expensive water, which will probably have far less silicic acid anyway.

For Exemple;
JarroSil is a patent pending Activated Silicon formula supplying stabilized molecular clusters of silicic acid. Stabilized silicic acid is converted to ortho and disilicic acids upon dissolution in the stomach and rapidly absorbed bioavailable silicon.

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I have no idea. I can only report what Chris Exley states in his talk. He does not mention this. You could e-mail him and ask. I would not experiment by yourself as I have heard somewhere that silicone can also cause disease and an autoimmune reaction
 
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4209859/

The unique inorganic chemistry of the reaction of aluminum with silicic acid [Si(OH)4] the only biologically available form of silicon, has remained my life’s work and is now the subject of a possible therapy to facilitate the removal of aluminum from the human body (36). This therapy is based upon the observation that drinking silicon-rich mineral waters increases the excretion of aluminum in urine (37). Silicon in mineral water (and indeed most potable waters) is found mainly as silicic acid, which in the gut is immediately absorbed and enters the blood before being excreted in the urine via the kidney. Mirroring the urinary excretion of silicic acid is aluminum and this close relationship suggests that silicic acid in some way facilitates the excretion of aluminum via the kidney. The mechanism of action remains to be elucidated but it is thought to involve a pulse in silicic acid concentration in the blood, which facilitates the passage of low-molecular weight (<18 kDa) forms of aluminum across the glomeruli of the kidney
 
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Silicone-reactive disorder: a new autoimmune disease caused by immunostimulation and superantigens.
Lappe MA1.
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Over 100 cases of disorders closely resembling classic autoimmune diseases have been reported among patients who were injected or implanted with a diverse group of chemicals including paraffins, vegetable oils or silicone. Most cases have occurred in silicone breast implant recipients, especially those who received their prostheses 2-10 years prior to onset of symptoms. A high proportion of patients exhibit classic signs and symptoms of Sjogren's syndrome or scleroderma. Affected patients typically experience some combination of fatigue, myalgia, joint pain, sicca syndrome (dry eyes and mouth), synovitis, rash, alopecia, muscular weakness or lymphadenopathy, and autoantibody formation. Less commonly, patients may have the CREST syndrome (calcinosis, Raynaud's phenomena, esophageal hypomotility, sclerodactyly and telangiectasias), hypertension, pulmonary fibrosis, or central nervous system pathology.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8289701
 
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Found this link. Apparently silicone is not silicon !


"silicon and Silica are so similar sounding and often times get mistakenly interchanged but at least they are naturally occurring elements. What is bothersome is when an unnatural product is named similarly and often confused for the natural product; I am referring to silicone (notice the “e” after the n). Many people have given silica and silicon a bad rap because they are confusing them for silicone. So what is Silicone? Silicone is a man-made product, a synthetic polymer, so it does not biodegrade. Silicone is produced in solid, liquid or gel form. Silicone is found abundantly in everyday life, you’ll find that silicone (sometimes disguised under the name dimethicone) is in artificial joints, in toys, in medicines, in skin care, and on almost everything else it seems, but, I dare you to find it in nature. That’s not to say that Silicone can’t be found in nature, but it is extremely rare, you have more chances of winning the lottery than finding silicone in nature."
http://www.nudiskin.com/blog/silicon-silica-silicate-silicone-which-is-the-impostor/
 
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JPV said:
@currer, have you tried chelating aluminum?
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I am trying it now. I am following Chris Exley's advice and drinking the mineral water. I will do this for six months or a year before deciding. I am also trying to remove other sources of alum from my environment Aluminium is widely found in food, cleaning products and cosmetics, including sunscreens and antiperspirants and absorbed through the skin, lungs and gut. It is also a constituent of some medicines as a filler or a buffer eg in aluminium based antacids.

Chris Exley's talks explain all this. Please follow the links I posted as I am not the expert.
 
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Legolas said:
Wouldn't it just be easier to take a silicon supplement? Instead of drinking expensive water, which will probably have far less silicic acid anyway.
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I think this may answer your question...
Toxic Aluminum: The Trouble with this Abundant Element

Jason Hartman: So, can’t we just take a silicon supplement of some sort rather than worrying about the hard to find water?

Prof. Christopher Exley: Everybody asks this question. And it’s the obvious thing to do because you can go to your health foods shop and there’s loads of these silicon supplements. And unfortunately, silicon supplements are generally something called silica. Silica is of course what happens to silicic acid when aggregated it comes out as solution. Silica is sand essentially. Now, unfortunately, if you took some sand and you dropped it in some water, theoretically it will dissolve to give you soluble silicon, but you need to wait about several hundred thousand years or something like that. In other words, it’s a very slow process going one way and not the other.

These silicon supplements, many people take them and some people actually tell you that they get some positive results from them. That’s quite possible because silica is a surface upon which, for example, metals, including aluminum can absorb and it might help the metals to be excreted in that way. It doesn’t give you silicic acid. It doesn’t give you soluble silicon. Or if it does, it gives you a relatively small amount in comparison to what you can get simply from a mineral water and sometimes from your own tap water. But it’s very rare that tap water is so high in silicon as these specific mineral waters are.

So, the silicon supplements do not supply you with soluble silicon. It’s unfortunate. And we have for many years been involved with trying to develop something which does. And there are companies out there that claim to have developed things that do and we have tested them all and none of them live up to the claims. So, one has to be very careful about that. I don’t want to put people off from using silicon supplements. If people find them to be helpful, go ahead and use them, but they are not working in the way in which we understand this particular chemistry to work.
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For comparison purposes Volvic has about 30mg of Silica per liter and Jarrosil has 5mg per capsule.
 
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I'd say it's a no-brainer to follow up on this lead.
We already know vaccines can cause SEID, but we don't know the mechanism. Given that MMF is caused by aluminium reaching the brain and lymph, and that it produces similar symptoms to those of SEID...

We're probably all carrying around a lot more aluminium than we were 50 years ago.
 
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Which doesn't mean that these antibiotics are a good way to remove aluminum from the body. It might explain some of their neuroprotective properties.
 
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A.B. said:
Which doesn't mean that these antibiotics are a good way to remove aluminum from the body. It might explain some of their neuroprotective properties.
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I realize that. I just thought it was interesting to point out another way that aluminum can disrupt the body's metabolism. It always seems to keep coming back to overactive microglia.
 
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How Vaccines Can Damage Your Brain (Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.)

Mercury and Aluminum

There are other ways that vaccines can cause havoc in the brain. Most vaccines contain aluminum compounds. A multitude of studies have shown that aluminum, especially if combined with fluoride, is a powerful brain toxin and that it accumulates in the brain. With each vaccine injection, a dose of aluminum is given. These yearly aluminum inoculations accumulate not only at the site of the injection, but travel to the brain, where it enters neurons and glial cells (astrocytes and microglia). A number of studies have shown that aluminum can activate microglia and do so for long periods. This means that the aluminum in your vaccination is priming your microglia to overreact. The next vaccine acts to trigger the enhanced inflammatory reaction and release of the excitotoxins, glutamate and quinolinic acid.
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JPV said:
For comparison purposes Volvic has about 30mg of Silica per liter and Jarrosil has 5mg per capsule.
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I take BioSil drops for my osteoporosis, per the recommendation of my bone specialist, which is "choline-stabilized OrthoSilica Acid" per the manufacturer's web site. Six drops contain 5mg of the ch-OSA, same as a Jarrosil capsule.

My question about the silica in the water is its bioavailability. Jarrosil and BioSil are for promoting collagen formation, hence the addition of choline to stabilize the silica. Obviously, there isn't much choline in the water, so what, if anything, is the silica acid in the water doing for your body? How much aluminum is actually being excreted because of the silica acid, versus the fulvic and humic acids that are naturally occurring?

Seems to me that a better bet for chelating aluminum would be taking a product like Jarrosil or BioSil along with a fulvic/humic acid concentrate like The Gift. That's what my functional med doc recommended to me last summer. I don't know how well it's working because I haven't tested for heavy metals since then, but he's seen other patients improve with it, so it's probably doing its job.

Besides, if you're an old fart like me, you don't need aluminum from vaccines in order to be loaded up with this metal. Being raised in an American middle class family with the ubiquitous "TV dinner" in the aluminum heat-n-serve trays is problematic enough. Eating those once or twice a week during the school years certainly dwarfs any vaccine-based aluminum by comparison, especially for those of us with methylation problems that went undiagnosed until adulthood.
 
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@currer Aren't chlorella and kelp useful in removing aluminum as well? Also, Econugenics Pectasol C I believe has been used in studies to remove heavy metals, including aluminum, in children with autism. Then too, there's far infra red sauna.

Why the emphasis only on particular mineral waters? Thanks.
 
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What's to like about aluminum?
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I'm not convinced that he's sufficiently demonstrated that there's anything to dislike about it.
Deodorant manufacturers in Germany now have to put "no aluminium" in big letters on their products, because of they hysteria created by him and the usual shoddy journalism that followed.
Have there been any studies done on using Silica to remove aluminium from the body, or is he just basing his claims on his experience of anecdotal evidence?
 
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