Nods.. I agree. When I had complete remission for a couple of years then suddenly started crashing. The whole situation hit me FAR HARDER then it had the first time even thou I didnt go back to my original severe level.
People may think someone was lucky to gone throu a level of improvement or even a remission but it soo sucks loosing everything all over again for a second time and esp cause you know more about what you are possibly in for again, second time round..
I think there needs to be more awknowledgement of just how hard that can emotionally/mentally be and the possibility of maybe an increased suicide risk at that time. It truely just makes one want to just give up.
No one seems to really know if that is what happened to Patrick or not and if it was what finally pushed him over that edge but its certainly a possibility.
I cant remember ever communicating with Patrick but it is sad to hear he was trying so hard to find something to help... only to end up feeling he couldnt continue on any further.
RIP Patrick and condolences to his family
I didn't know Patrick but I too am a man and diagnosed with CFS almost fourty years ago.
Before the illness, I could never comprehend how one could take ones own life. Then I found out. CFS compelled me to write a short book of life and death on this planet. It doesn't comport to have all the answers but I believe it has most.
The title is Boot Camp To Eternity, an ebook on Amazon Kindle, Kindle reader not needed.
One can preview the book free of charge.
To me this is a like an unexpected burden that we need to be aware of. Its something I really never thought of - I've never had really high improvements or suddenly devastating relapse but a section of the ME/CFS community goes through extroardinary changes in health sometimes really rapidly....
Nods.. I agree. When I had complete remission for a couple of years then suddenly started crashing. The whole situation hit me FAR HARDER then it had the first time even thou I didnt go back to my original severe level.
People may think someone was lucky to gone throu a level of improvement or even a remission but it soo sucks loosing everything all over again for a second time and esp cause you know more about what you are possibly in for again, second time round..
I think there needs to be more awknowledgement of just how hard that can emotionally/mentally be and the possibility of maybe an increased suicide risk at that time. It truely just makes one want to just give up.
Unlike other posters, I am not sad. I am angry. Angry that we are left rotting in our beds for decades; angry to be ridiculed by the very people who pretend to be there to help us; angry that animals are treated with better respect than us; angry that we have been forgotten by all; angry that I never hear the word 'prevention'; angry that nobody is angry about this scandal.
I've never heard it summed up that way before, it really hits home.I've logged 1400 days in bed in the last 11 years. There are many who've logged more. That's a lot of time to be alone with your thoughts and a painful body or fevers.
Light a candle for Patrick and other people who have passed away from ME/CFS and its complications:
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=MECFS
http://www.blueribboncampaignforme.org/ME_CFS_Memorial.html
YOU WERE STRONG, PATRICK. And I know from all the posts online from so many of your friends that you gave strength and HOPE to so many. Bless you. And to Patrick's family.....I am so, so sorry for your loss.
[/QUOTE]Thankyou Cort & Tania for mentioning this, my condition is relapsing/remitting & I often feel an outsider amongst other patients because of this. It adds further to the isolation that you are already struggling with.
I also feel guilt because I do have times where I improve, I know it's not logical but that's how I feel.
There needs to be greater acceptance among ourselves, everyone's ME/CFS is different.
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I am completely shocked and incredibly sad to hear that Patrick has passed away.
He was a prolific poster on ProHealth years ago. You can still read many of his posts there, under the name of "hubcap_halo"
I did not know Patrick but read many of his posts years ago when on ProHealth myself. He seemed like an incredible young man, talented, kind and generous and giving with his knowledge and so optomistic and wanting to spread and give hope to others who were suffering.
I am just so sad that such a bright light has left this world. And angry that so many are suffering. I am sad......and angry.
I hope you are at Peace, Patrick, and all the others who have left this world .
Here is a post from ProHealth he posted in 2008, someone else brought up on another site. The title of the post is "ME/CFS People: We are stronger than we give ourselves credit for"
http://www.prohealth.com/?me-cfs/blog/?boardDetail.cfm?id=1232510 I don't know if the link is working so I hope it is Ok for me to just post it here
"ME/CFS People: We are stronger than we give ourselves credit for
I'm back on this board and that thought just struck me.
I hear about people letting themselves be bedridden for 6 months on Valcyte because they want their life back---they want to work again, to spend more time with family and friends and be more active.
We change our diets. We change jobs. We downgrade our standard of living. We move to new cities. We give up apartments and even houses and spend time in the back room of relatives or friends apartments or houses (much gratitude to them).
We love coffee with cream and sugar but we cut it out, just on the suspicion that candida might be a problem even though there really isn't conclusive proof. We give up a TON of fun vices and tasty foods just on the hope that eating nothing but fresh veggies, lean meats, fish, quinoa, some fruits will help cure us or at least get us back to working part time.
We endure breakups that occur because of a relapse on the illness onset. We survive losing friends because the illness or a relapse.
We try meditation, qi gong, yoga, light exercise, visualizations...
We spend tens of thousands of dollars and travel great distances to see specialists who have complex protocols.
We spend hours studying the illness ourselves.
We offer support to each other.
We try to keep a sense of humor even though we're often angry or sad beyond words.
We grow a thicker skin and learn that just because 3/4 of the planet think the illness is in our head--we blow it off when they say it. We often don't fight them verbally, just to save our strength. OR we set them straight and cite sources in the hopes that they won't rake the nerves of the next ME/CFS person that comes along. We fight to make them understand.
We've missed months, even years of our lives--and yet we carry on as best we can and with hope of better health in the future.
We'll try a treatment and when the treatment makes us feel like sh*t we agree with our doctor, "That means it's working!" and when the treatment makes us feel better we say "That means it's working!" THAT, folks, is optimism.
When a friend complains about the horribly busy day they have we don't remind them they are darn lucky to be able to HAVE a busy day. But if they take it too far and say their vacation was ruined by one horrible day of being sick in bed, we stand for ourselves and say, "Hey pal, try to keep your audience in mind a little."
I've logged 1400 days in bed in the last 11 years. There are many who've logged more. That's a lot of time to be alone with your thoughts and a painful body or fevers. Based on all the rest I need, a friend once said, "I want your job!" I assured her she doesn't. I like working. I like being busy. I like being healthy.
We are stronger than we give ourselves credit for.
[This Message was Edited on 02/15/2008] " by hubcap_halo (Patrick)
I was just talking to someone who has mostly recovered and she feels some guilt as well. I don't know how to get over that except that really speaking as someone who is not well - I really hope that when you get well you enjoy the hell out of it!