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So could a possible downstream effect explain the differences?
I think it fits my observation I need the flares to improve and to severe flares do not give that benefit but make it worse. .
So could a possible downstream effect explain the differences?
Any thoughts, @Jonathan Edwards?
@Gingergrrl, here's what the SMC say about themselves. Someone else will no doubt be able to enlighten you about the connections behind the scenes.
Yeah, and the first person they interview about the results is a psychologist
There have been so many studies on elevated cytokines in CFS, this study has to replicate some of those old findings.What I meant was that this huge cytokine study didn't replicate the findings of cytokine differences between patients and controls seen in many smaller studies, and that was a surprise, to me anyway, and I suspect to the authors too.
The Science Media Centre seemed to have excelled themselves in missing the point.
We patients are clearly telepathically conspiring to force the immune system to dysfunction according to precise patterns in our attempt to emotionally communicate our repressed childhood traumas while faking illness unbeknownst to ourselves.
Fortunately there are geniuses such as Wessely, White, and Chalder who can see through our deceptions and save us from ourselves.
Drs Lipkin, Hornig and colleagues discover robust evidence that chronic fatigue syndrome is a biological illness
February 27, 2015
The researchers and team at CII would like to dedicate this paper as a tribute to the life of Vanessa Li.
Breaking news from Columbia scientists, press release 2pm EST today:
Just to be clear, you are saying that the modest changes in cytokine levels are likely to be biologically significant, as well as statistically significant? (Though the mean changes might be masking much bigger changes for substantial numbers of individuals).This is basically the dataset that Mady presented last May at IiME and I have been thinking about it for some time. Analysis is not easy but I believe this result, and there are not many results in ME that I do.
I think it is a genuine quantum leap in terms of showing a biological abnormality. The changes are quite subtle and that is one of the things that makes them credible. IL-8 is up again but not 1000 times too high as some of the commercial labs seem to suggest.
The study seems to be telling us very clearly that if we want to find out about the inflammatory side of ME we can only expect to find it early on.
Well it came out of London, so who's surprised?What a crappy headline.
I agree, it raises more questions than answers. On first blush, it's interesting to think about how many symptoms of ME are the same as those of certain cytokines administered in excess (fatigue, fevers, sickness behavior, tachycardia, cognitive dysfunction, etc.) but that doesn't explain why people sick > 3 years would continue to have these same symptoms if their cytokine levels drop below that of healthy people.I'm thrilled at the evidence of something clearly, demonstrably wrong with out immune systems early in the illness, but I'm a little nervous that it's not clear what's going on later in the illness.