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http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_effectiveness_of_homeopathy
I think this sums it up good!
I think this sums it up good!
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They are not comparable at all.Don't forget that vaccination is the same principle as homeopathy.
I am not saying that placebo does not work. I am saying that the meds they give you does not.
How Placebos Change the Patient's Brain (US National Library of Medicine)
First, as the placebo effect is basically a psychosocial context effect, these data indicate that different social stimuli, such as words and rituals of the therapeutic act, may change the chemistry and circuitry of the patient's brain. Second, the mechanisms that are activated by placebos are the same as those activated by drugs, which suggests a cognitive/affective interference with drug action. Third, if prefrontal functioning is impaired, placebo responses are reduced or totally lacking, as occurs in dementia of the Alzheimer's type.
This seems like a complete contradiction to me. A placebo IS, for all practical purposes, a medicine that doesn't work. It has no active ingredients. If placebos are indeed effective, it is because of some method that is not completely understood yet by science.
A study with a medical drug and the first group who is given medicine sees a 70% improvement, and the other group who gets a sugar pill sees a 30% improvement. Why do you think the placebo group got better? Because of some method that is not completely understood yet by science? Lol
Argh!http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_effectiveness_of_homeopathy
I think this sums it up good!
O yes it is: http://www.homstudy.net/Research/
I have no explanation. But studies seem to indicate that people do get therapeutic benefit from placebos. You just admitted so yourself in the example that you gave.
So, how would you explain why they got better?
In all cases? You would have to do a deep analysis. One of the huge problems I have with placebo controlled trials is that you also need a natural control group. That is, a group with no treatment at all. How do you know 30% will not get better in the natural course of illness? Until you know what the natural improvement and recovery rate is you have no basis for comparison.So, how would you explain why they got better?
You make some good points.So the worst case scenario is that homeopathy is wrong. The best case scenario is that some treatments used in homeopathy, which may or many not conform to homeopathic principles, have some effect. In which case I suspect they are not homeopathic at all.
Are you not yhe same women who believed in XMRV and the Meirlier.... o my dear.... you don''t get the point, do you.O yes it is: http://www.homstudy.net/Research/
Because they believe they are getting better. They think they are getting better. I am not saying that placebo doesn't work.
The study cited appears to be an unpublished claim, as in published in reputable peer reviewed journal. Where is it published? What reviews did it go through? Who was the person doing the study?O yes it is: http://www.homstudy.net/Research/
But studies seem to indicate that people do get therapeutic benefit from placebos.
vaccination is the same principle as homeopathy.
As should all evidence, regardless of source. Which of course leads to the rationalists dilemma I have written about elsewhere: who has the time?Their material should be scrutinized with the same amount of critical thinking that they allegedly profess to disseminate.
If homepoathy is quackery, then vets who use it extensively, would not be able to continue. It is used extensively also in Germany, and believe me, Germans are not easily hoodwinked when it comes to health matters. They are way ahead of most other countries in this and the emphasis is on natural remedies wherever possible.