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Holtorf Medical Group - Has anyone been?

CFS_Kristin

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I’m thinking about going to the Holtorf Medical Group in El Segundo....

Has anyone been? Had a good or bad experience? They seem to treat CFS with hormones among other things.

I’ve tried so many other docs and centers, so want to see if anyone benefited or has been.

Thanks!
 

Misfit Toy

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Lot of people on the thyroid boards have been and love them. I have one right here. The problem is...they are very expensive. At least the one that is here. you have to pay for everything out of pocket. A first visit is $600...they do not take most insurances and the one here insists you buy only their products. I am not a fan of that, but many with thyroid issues think they are the best.
 

Learner1

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I haven't been but I found his model of treating CFS to be very useful - see the attached, which is from his website.

I have problems in all of the boxes in his diagram and my functional medicine doctor has been working his way through the model. I've improved a lot, and I think it would be difficult to get well without addressing each problem in a logical order.
 

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Pink

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Tri state area
How do they compare treatment wise, success rates, cost wise to kaufman in california?
Holtorf has centers all over, so it might be easier to get to.
 

Learner1

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I don't think you'll get a comparison of success rates from any of them.

My functional medicine doctor is excellent and has helped me improve in many areas. Dr. Kaufman is fabulous at immune system and infections and has helped me a lot, too.

This is incredibly complex and no doctor can know everything. I wouldn't have made as much progress if I weren't seeing both.
 

Gingergrrl

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Thanks ginger I'm almost never on here but this thread came to my email & I figured if I can save someone heartache & $$$ I will reply.

That was nice of you to do that (and I have no experience with Holtorf Medical Group) but I think it is always helpful for people to get a variety of feedback and perspectives. I hope you are doing okay.
 

Lieselotte

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Orange County, CA
I went to Holtorf in California maybe 8 years ago. I wouldn't recommend it. I had gone for hypothyroidism and to look for a better approach than just being given pills, wanted to find a root cause, etc. I was hoping Holtorf was that.

However, I was just given a high dose of T3 (didn't work). There wasn't intensive investigation or anything like that. Doctors rotate through there pretty often - my first one left the clinic and I got another - seemed like that happened a lot.
A couple years later, through a true functional practitioner, I found out I was intolerant of gluten, grains, dairy, fixed my gut as best I could, worked on my liver, etc. None of this was explored at Holtorf. My functional practitioner actually told me several of his clients were from Holtorf and they were suing the group for making their condition worse. I wish I could have gone to the real functional guy first and maybe saved my body a little.

At Holtorf they also advertised Botox and fillers so you could get that done while working on your chronic disease! o_O

Also, MEAction decided not to put Holtorf on their list of providers as they have heard that there were issues with patients there (OMF stated they heard this too).
 

Learner1

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Just wanted to clarify, I found Holtorf's diagram to be useful, but in the hands of competent doctors and as a tool for understanding and managing testing and care. It sounds unfortunate thst the staffs at those clinics aren't more informed or stable..