First Direct Evidence of Neuroinflammation - 'Encephalitis' - in ME/CFS



Trigeminal nerve stimulation actives dura mast cells and increases vascular permeability


Int J Immunopathol Pharmacol. 2013 Jul-Sep;26(3):597-600.
Impact of capsaicin on mast cell inflammation.
Frydas S1, Varvara G, Murmura G, Saggini A, Caraffa A, Antinolfi P, Tete' S, Tripodi D, Conti F, Cianchetti E, Toniato E, Rosati M, Speranza L, Pantalone A, Saggini R, Di Tommaso LM, Theoharides TC, Conti P, Pandolfi F.
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Abstract

Mast cells are inflammatory cells, and they are prominent in inflammatory diseases such as allergy and asthma. Mast cells possess high-affinity receptors for IgE (FcERI) and the cross-linking of these receptors is essential to trigger the secretion of granules containing arachidonic acid metabolism (such as prostaglandin (PG) D2, leukotriene (LT) B4, and LTC4), histamine, cytokines, chemokines, and proteases, including mast cell-specific chymases and tryptases. Activation of mast cells provokes the secretion of cytokines and mediators that are responsible for the pathologic reaction of immediate hypersensitivity. Sensory nerve stimulation by irritants and other inflammatory mediators provokes the release of neuropeptides, causing an increase in vascular permeability, plasma extravasation and edema. Trigeminal nerve stimulation actives dura mast cells and increases vascular permeability, effects inhibited by capsaicin. Capsaicin causes release of sensory neuropeptide, catecholamines and vasodilation. Several studies have reported that capsaicin is effective in relief and prevention of migraine headaches, improves digestion, helps to prevent heart disease, and lowers blood cholesterol and blood pressure levels. The findings reported in these studies may have implications for the pathophysiology and possible therapy of neuroinflammatory disorders.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24067456
 
Good question. If it is sickness behaviour then it would be the same basic idea of activated microglia (and astrocytes). Whether the level of neuroinflammation/activation would be the same, I don't know.

As for fever, that turns out to be a separate pathway from sickness behaviour - though again fever is a host response, not something caused by the pathogen: turns out we can generally take the heat better than bugs. One amazing thing I learned on an immunology course I did recently is that reptiles - who are cold-blooded so can't control their body temp - will move to a hotter area if they are sick, say 40 degC, same as a mammalian fever. And experiments have shown moving to the higher temp improves their survival rates.
Half true?

Simon, do you mean sickness behaviour as in promoting rest, or sickness behaviour as in immune response here?

The fever response (according to my understanding) tends to kick in after several days of infection and failure of the immune system to deal with the problem. As you indicate microbes are more temperature sensitive than our cells and the immune response uses fever to weaken them. It is because it may indicate a more severe infection that medics are concerned by it.

The info re reptilian response to infection was in interesting tit bit, may I ask where you picked that up?

Leo
 
Thanks :). And if you are talking about mecfs research on neuroinflammation, I totally agree it should be a priority.

Great question


I think for all of this, the first step needed is replication by the original authors using their improved design, which I understand has already started or will soon do so. Then other Qs come into play, including how it compares with other chronic illnesses and with acute infection. As Tony Komaroff said, what's needed is independent confirmation by multiple different labs. I wouldn't normally blog on such a small study, but as the findings tie in with so many other theories, and as an improved version of the study is already planned, I think this study deserves more attention.


Re encephalitis, I took my cue from Tony Komaroff:



As for encephalomyelitis, the microglial and astrocytes that showed up as activated in the brain PET scan are also present in the spinal column, so it's plausible they too are activated - that would need a different PET scan to investigate. Again, this would be low-grade which as I understand it is not what is normally meant by encephalomyelitis. There again, my understanding was that Ramsay used encephalomyelitis because he thought that would explain the clinical symptoms he found (he didn't have direct evidence).

If the neuroinflammation evidence checks out Ramsay may have been on exactly the right lines - that's the only point I'm trying to make. I wouldn't want to push it too far, esp as this is a study on only 9 patients and didn't even look at the spinal column.

We must talk before I write my next blog! Hugh Perry's hypothesis is about microglial priming, so that people have an exaggerated immune response.


got a link for that, would like to follow up?

still working on replies to others, got to go lie down and rest....
More importantly how this compares with depression in order to put the psychiatric dogma to sleep permanently..
 
The fever response (according to my understanding) tends to kick in after several days of infection and failure of the immune system to deal with the problem.

My own understanding is that fever is actually one of the early responses to infection - part of the innate immune system.

This page appears to support this, e.g. this bit:

Innate immunity also comes in a protein chemical form, called innate humoral immunity. Examples include the body's complement system and substances called interferon and interleukin-1 (which causes fever).

If an antigen gets past these barriers, it is attacked and destroyed by other parts of the immune system.
 
My own understanding is that fever is actually one of the early responses to infection - part of the innate immune system.

This page appears to support this, e.g. this bit:
The page is slightly misleading (re fever at least). In so far as we are born with innate immunity it obviously comes first in two respects. Aspects of it also kick in a little quicker than the th1 system. What's described as innate immunity includes most b-cell activity, natural killer cells etc as well as fever.
Fever actually commences after NK cells, T-cells etc and is primarily an endocrine response to infection. We don't fever ever time we get a cold due to it being the bodies 'emergency response'.

It was the length of time about which I had my doubts.
 
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You might like to read my blog: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?entries/masks.680/

Its not only that we feel driven to pretend to be normal. Its that we can operate on learned responses, even speech. Ask me how I am and unless I have lost enough cognitive function that either I cannot understand you or cannot speak any more, then I can give a reply. Its just not a considered reply unless my brain is operating at an OK level.

An amusing side note is that some people think I am too far gone to notice what they say. They forget I get short periods of OK brain capacity ... and then I rethink what they said. Presuming I can even remember it of course.;)


"Learned responses" that's a great way to put it. I have been saying I operate solely on logic. I would feel horrible for a child that has to go through this because they haven't had a chance to learn the correct behaviors and responses to things.

I never get periods of OK brain function though. Never fluctuates, ever, not even 1%
 
"Learned responses" that's a great way to put it. I have been saying I operate solely on logic. I would feel horrible for a child that has to go through this because they haven't had a chance to learn the correct behaviors and responses to things.

I never get periods of OK brain function though. Never fluctuates, ever, not even 1%

By OK brain capacity I mean times when I can think at 30% or more of normal capacity, rather than times when I am at 1%.
 
Dr Younger listed potential microglial inhibitors that he thinks may be worth investigating at the Stanford and IACFS/ME conferences. Other than naltrexone I don't think most have been studied in fibromyalgia or ME but I think several are very promising. For example, I know many people are using minocycline for its neuroprotective qualities. The list is split into prescription drugs and supplements (primarily from chinese medicine.)
The full list is at http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...-me-21-march-day-two.29098/page-3#post-443598

I'm doing great on minocycline. Don't want to jinx it, but i've had a significant increase in activity, no PEM (so far), clearer head, no pain, no POTs-like symptoms.
Some of the improvement maybe could be attributed to buhner herbs i am also taking, but i noticed the shift to lack of PEM and lack of POTs-like symptoms particularly after taking minocycline.
I have been on other lyme Abx for a year, and am now into my third week on mino.

It stuffs up sleep, but i'm managing that with some add-ons.

Fingers crossed this bout of better health continues. One often looks like a dickhead when touting a cure after a couple of weeks of remission, but it's clear i have improved since minocycline.
Fantastic beaverfury, I'm glad to hear you're improving. :)
 
This is a study that describes how I felt at worst and during every relapse. My most recent one pretty bad and I described it to a doctor saying: it feels upon waking up as if my brain was full of some sort of yellow pus which has to get out but wont. It makes my head soinning at first and then impacts the most basic funtions from sleeping, eating and peeing to standing speaking, holding anything in my hands. It is all tragic that makes me laugh at times how bad can it be this time? I seem to develop more and more symptoms with most recent addition tightness round my throat and problems swallowing as well as getting food into my stomach it all seem to go up involuntary (yes some muscles freak up and soasm while some other seem to stop working). Basically my brain seems to be so inflammed that it stop to function and so my body shuts down. All due to another silly docile virus my kid brought home. Any help for temporary flare ups in brain inflammation? Which btw was not recognised by basic blood tests CRP was very low but I had low grade fever. Merry Xmas everyone.
 
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