Consistently high urinary PH anyone?

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High urine pH can be caused by some drugs, and some supplements, such as potassium.

I need supplemental potassium and sometimes it can increase my urine pH to around 7.4 so I take ascorbic acid to increase the acidity and lower the pH. But, because I have kidney problems I need to be careful about going too low since urine pH naturally lowers when I consume protein or acidic foods. I use a pH meter to check my urine pH a couple of times per day.

Certain types of kidney stones can be caused by urine pH that remains high for too long. Citrates, such as can be found in lemons may help to prevent stone formation.

Here is some information from various sources about dealing with kidney stones:
Low magnesium
From LINE on PR
Magnesium binds oxalate in the digestive tract and inhibits the formation of calcium oxalate crystals in urine (Kohri 1988; Massey 2005). And higher magnesium consumption is significantly associated with lower risk of kidney stones (Negri 2013; Zimmermann 2005).
www.lifeextension.com/Protocols/Kidney-Urinary/Kidney-Stones/Page-10

Prevention (supplements)
From a blog comment:
My husband was a monthly stone former for 40 years (calcium oxalate). Multiple lithotrypcy procedures plus surgery. Finally found a Nephrologist who put him on prevention: Magnesium, B6, Potassium Citrate (prescription) and distilled water. He hasn't had a stone 12 years!

Ways for ANYONE to reduce the risk of kidney stones
http://www.doctoryourself.com/kidney.html
1. Maximize fluid intake. Especially drink fruit and vegetable juices. Orange, grape and carrot juices are high in citrates which inhibit both a build up of uric acid and also stop calcium salts from forming. (Carper, J. "Orange Juice May Prevent Kidney Stones," Lancaster Intelligencer-Journal, Jan 5, 1994)

2. Control urine pH. Acidic urine helps prevent urinary tract infections, dissolves both phosphate and struvite stones, and will not cause oxalate stones.

3. Eat your veggies: studies have shown that dietary oxalate is generally not a significant factor in stone formation. I would go easy on rhubarb and spinach, however.

4. Most kidney stones are compounds of calcium and most Americans are calcium deficient. Instead of lowering calcium intake, reduce excess dietary phosphorous by avoiding carbonated soft drinks, especially colas. Soft drinks contain excessive quantities of phosphorous as phosphoric acid. This is the same acid that has been used by dentists to etch tooth enamel before applying sealant.

5. Take a magnesium supplement of AT LEAST the US RDA of 300-350 mg/day (more may be desirable in order to maintain an ideal 1:2 balance of magnesium to calcium)

6. Be certain to take a good B-complex vitamin supplement daily, which contains pyridoxine (vitamin B-6). B-6 deficiency produces kidney stones in experimental animals. In high doses, it is also used medically to treat kidney stones. Remember:
* B-6 deficiency is very common in humans
* B-1 (thiamine) deficiency also is associated with stones (Hagler and Herman, "Oxalate Metabolism, II" American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 26:8, 882-889, August, 1973)

7. Additionally, low calcium may itself CAUSE calcium stones (L. H. Smith, et al, "Medical Evaluation of Urolithiasis" Urological Clinics of North America 1:2, 241-260, June 1974)

8. For uric acid/purine stones (gout), STOP EATING MEAT! Nutrition tables and textbooks indicate meats as the major dietary purine source. Naturopathic treatment adds juice fasts and eating sour cherries. Increased vitamin C consumption helps by improving the urinary excretion of uric acid. (Cheraskin, et al, 1983). Use buffered ascorbate "C".

9. Persons with cystine stones (only 1% of all kidney stones) should follow a low methionine diet and use buffered C.

10. Kidney stones are associated with high sugar intake, so eat less (or no) added sugar (J. A. Thom, et al "The Influence of Refined Carbohydrate on Urinary Calcium Excretion," British Journal of Urology, 50:7, 459-464, December, 1978)

11. Infections can cause conditions that favor stone formation, such as overly concentrated urine (from fever sweating, vomiting or diarrhea). Practice good preventive health care, and it will pay you back with interest.

A Formula for Preventing Kidney Stones
From Kerri Knox RN: https://www.easy-immune-health.com/preventing-kidney-stones.html

Preventing kidney stones MAY be as simple as:
* Taking a high enough Magnesium Dosage to resolve deficiency and saturate cells. (see: https://www.easy-immune-health.com/magnesium-dosage.html)
* Taking the magnesium with an acidic compound (like lemon juice) to help the calcium dissolve
* Add in some Potassium Salts
* Top it all off with some Vitamin B6
* Avoid Sugar and Oxalate containing foods
* Drink lots of water

The research clearly shows that each of these by itself is generally enough to decrease kidney stone formation to a significant degree if done consistently. While most doctors ONLY promote avoiding oxalate containing foods and drinking lots of water, the research clearly shows that nutrients can be EXTREMELY helpful as well. Since nutrients are synergistic, it could be that taking these substances together COULD drastically reduce or even eliminate kidney stone formation in most people!!

Treating
[Note that treating using juices works over a long period of time]

From Dr. Christopher:
Juices for Gravel in Kidneys: Carrot & cucumber, endive & parsley.
Juices for Renal Calculus (Stones in Kidney): Carrot & cucumber, celery & parsley.

(Dr. Christopher) Parsley: Parsley root tea will help remove all stones including gallstones and kidney stones if they are not too large. One doctor who made a trip to Holland was surprised to see medical doctors prescribing Parsley tea for kidney stone and other kidney and related complaints, including pressure of the prostate. He returned to his practice at home and began prescribing the same remedy with the same good results.

[Dr. Schulze recommends parsley juice instead of tea, because it's more potent and concentrated.]

Chanca Piedra
From https://candidaspecialists.com/chanca-piedra/:

When you use chanca piedra to dissolve kidney stones, it is essential to make sure your entire renal and urinary system function properly. This is very important. Once the kidney stones are dissolved, you want your body to flush them out effectively in the urine so they won’t get stuck. For this reason, a common best practice is to combine chanca piedra with other kidney cleansing herbs that in addition to help softening and dissolving the kidney stones, can also support normal urinary, bladder and kidney function:
* Uva ursi (bearberry, arctostaphylos), hydrangea, goldenrod (solidago), horsetail (equisetum arvense) and marshmallow (mallow root) are widely used for this purpose with a long history of traditional use that is also backed up by science.
 

bread.

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stones and their treatment are bound to the kind of kidney stones you have, there is no one fits all approach. I have calcium phosphate stones, many of the recommended treatments of your links are counterproductive for these stones.
 

Pearshaped

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I've always had very alkaline urine.
I was always wondering what this means...but that was already before being ill...
 
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