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Well, like i wrote before: It's a trial and error thing. Not everything is coated in case of aluminium and if it's coated with some plastics the question follows, is the plastic maybe even more dangerous?
@caledonia we've crossed paths before on chelating.People can downplay that metals cause negative effects and make snarky comments about it, but that doesn't mean they're still not in your body causing issues.
Based on the research I've done over the past year or two, if have ME or CFS and you're sick enough to be on this forum, there is a good chance that toxic metals are playing a major role in your illness.
@MeganM The best, safest chelation protocol I've found is the Cutler frequent dose chelation protocol. I have more info in my signature link. After you click on that, it's about 3/4 of the way down the page.
The whole chelation thing is a minefield of misinformation.
@caledonia we've crossed paths before on chelating.
I went to a Bastyr-trained naturopath, but functional medicine providers with different letters after their name can do it, too...Do you know how to find a good chelation doc - in other words, what protocol did your doc use, or is it proprietary to him/her?
Yes. I think somehow us are so toxic we could die before we ever get any significant detoxing done at Cutler's speed...slow but steady is good, and easier on your kidneys and liver, needing less nutritional support, but it can be done faster (and safely) by someone who is experienced at the tasks I made in the points above.Also I think you mean - that the Cutler protocol in and of itself is not dangerous, but the slowness of it is problematic if you have something like cancer crop up and you need to expedite detoxing?
Sweat, in any form, is good. Saunas are excellent, as long as one can tolerate them. Keeping hydrated is essential.I think people should also add sauna when they're able to handle it; it will detox all the zillions of chemicals that get stored away in our fat (pesticides, plastics, petrochemicals, etc.), plus also metals.
I think being specific is the responsible thing to do ...just saying all metals are bad and then referring everything to lead and cadmium is a little disingenuous ....perhaps clarify why aluminium is so toxic with evidence would be a more meaningful argument. I would like to hear your views on aluminium containers, and deodorants with the scientific evidence as to why they are so bad/toxic. I am struggling to understand?People can downplay that metals cause negative effects and make snarky comments about it, but that doesn't mean they're still not in your body causing issues.
Based on the research I've done over the past year or two, if have ME or CFS and you're sick enough to be on this forum, there is a good chance that toxic metals are playing a major role in your illness.
@MeganM The best, safest chelation protocol I've found is the Cutler frequent dose chelation protocol. I have more info in my signature link. After you click on that, it's about 3/4 of the way down the page.
The whole chelation thing is a minefield of misinformation. Here is info on what not to do because it makes people sicker: http://cutlersuccessstories.weebly.com/what-not-to-do.html
There are also success stories on that site.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/165315-overview#a4I think being specific is the responsible thing to do ...just saying all metals are bad and then referring everything to lead and cadmium is a little disingenuous ....perhaps clarify why aluminium is so toxic with evidence would be a more meaningful argument. I would like to hear your views on aluminium containers, and deodorants with the scientific evidence as to why they are so bad/toxic. I am struggling to understand?
I accept lead and arsenic are bad...but aluminium?
Wishful, with all due respect, I have gone back and re read all the posts. 1) while I agree with you that there are a lot of gimmicks and entrepreneurs trying to make some money off the latest health trend, I do not see where the initial poster indicated what he had read was in a "scare magazine" any more than it may have been from a credible peer reviewed journal article. 2) if you read again my posts, you will see that I said exactly what I meant...that there was metallic shine to the underarm of my CLOTHES, even after multiple washings, not my SKIN, 3) It was in YOUR post, not mine, that aluminum SALTS is mentioned. You must have gotten confused by my mention of replacing my aluminum chorhydatechlorhydate antiperspirant with using a SALT CRYTAL deodorant. I assumed most people on this forum were familiar with those but to enlighten you, it is a formed solid stick of salt that is called a SALT CRYSTAL deodorant that you can buy in any health food store.Megan, the initial poster said he'd 'recently read some stuff about the toxicity of aluminium' and seemed to be worried because of it. I wanted to point out that there's a lot of 'stuff about the toxicity of aluminium' out there that is complete nonsense, and is intended to make money for someone, by selling writing, selling dietary advice, 'aluminum detox' that either isn't needed or isn't effective, and then there's the outright quackery of magic beans (or the equivalent). In retrospect I should have added a disclaimer stating that a small number of people do have high sensitivity to aluminum, and that if they are convinced they are one of them, they should ask their doctor for appropriate testing.
My main concern about the initial posting is that I expect a lot of people read a 'frighten the readers into spending money' article and panic, stressing themselves unnecessarily, and wasting resources on scams. My advice is that when people read an article that worries them, they should investigate further and see if the scientific community agrees that there are grounds for concern. The scientific community isn't perfect, but they're a lot more reliable than some 'Health Scare!' magazine.
One more thing: you've twice said that you had 'shiny patches of aluminum under my arms'. You did agree later that you meant an aluminum salt, but then went back to 'aluminum'. Yes it may seem like a technical nit-pick, but to the technically literate, your statement comes across as totally flakey, and yes, people who understand the difference between metallic aluminum and aluminum salts are likely to make fun of you...for the wrong reason, but the misperception is your fault. We can only read the words that you actually wrote, not the ones you _meant_ to write. If you'd written 'shiny patches of aluminum salts', my perception would have been much different.
One more note: I just checked the wikipedia entry for aluminum chlorohydrate, and while it made several references to aluminum not being found a health risk, it didn't include a disclaimer that--as with pretty much everything else in the world--there might be some people who have a valid problem with something that is safe for everyone else. That's just how the world works: imperfectly, so we have to be aware of that.
Thanks for posting this @Learner1 . I have read through it and it still refers to the risk being dependent on toxic load and that only when that load is reached does it cause a problem. Annoyingly it doesn't say what that load is in relation to lead cadmium arsenic etc. I believe it to be a lot higher so I will have a look and post later unless anyone else would like to contribute.
So, you do need to worry about it, at some point...maybe it'd be a good idea to worry about toxicity before one has renal failure...it doesn't all of a sudden bite you after you've crossed over some magical threshold.In summary you don't need to worry about aluminium unless you have renal failure and are on dialysis.
I sure know that aluminum cans for soda pop are not coated. ... I know what that plastic coating looks like, I've seen it on tin cans of tomatoe sauce, but rarely see it on anything else. ....