Clinic in Germany, antiviral

ruben

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Who could we see then in UK who'd be happy to give us a go on antivirals. What about our G.P.s. Or would we need to see an M.E specialist type doctor.
 
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Hi, there is also another clinic from Dr. Mutschler (Biomedical center in Speyer), who also does antiviral treatments and he doesn't have that long waiting list depending on your availability - he also seems to be very practical in terms of keeping things efficient in terms of testings. There is another clinic in Berlin, Therapaxis Klinik, with an amazing spectrum of treatments and experience, and there is also Dr. Kübler in München, from which I heard very good things in terms of the treatments (I also like his books), but he seems to be a very special person, not taking everyone as patient or sending a persone home, in case of "discussions". Oh and in Frankfurt there is another Clinic "Zentrum der erweiterten Medizin", which sounds very familiar with antiviral treatments, when I talked to them, but honestly I need to say, that I didn't continue this treatment option for myself, due to a few google ratings saying that they overlooked serious symptoms during treatment. But nevertheless, I just want to mention it. Maybe the information is already helpful, otherwise I am pretty sure, there are other clinics, esp. in Hamburg I also expect that one of these clinics treating CFS will also do antiviral therapy.
 

Blazer95

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Yeah, i didnt know Mutschler also does antiviral therapy. thats probably the better option then because Kacik's waitinglist is insane. its like all of germany travels to him
 
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I couldn't understand, why it seems to be, that all Germans travel to Dr. Kacik - He seems to be familiar with CFS/ME, but when he did a lecture about his research, I was frustrated about the several aspects lacking to take into account. But missing several, known aspects in CFS/ME in trials and studies seems to be normal
 

Blazer95

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I have to agree that he isnt 100% in this illness, but we dont have better doctors here. The Most Others are far worse.

German doctors in General are pretty shitty.
 
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I can unfortunately only agree with this and they are also in particular extremely arrogant. Its impossible to discuss treatments on a scientific basis, instead they easily rate you as Psycho. I have often asked myself, why they don't take the responsibility they have as a doctor - as a veterinarian I have learned much more to take this serious. But as a doctor you can do whatever and harm patients without anything happening - Only very few patients take legal action against medical errors and if they do, then the compensation is hardly worth the effort and to mention, also taking years. Even then, nothing happens to the doctor due to an insurance. Thus they learn, that they can do the greatest harm without any consequence.

I am currently taking action against my doctor who, after almost 20 years free of CFS/ME, pushed me back into severe CFS/ME by making the wrong recommendation and cutting my medication, saying that I had to cut it down no matter it takes, and just laughed at me after my concerns, about a relapse into CFS/ME with being bedridden and even not be able to go to toilett by myself - I was told I shouldn't exaggerat and being a drama queen. It doesn't change anything about the decision about cutting my medication, but instead I was refered to a psychiatric clinic to do this at the clinic. Unfortunately, my concern was far exceeded by reality. I am very excited to see what will be the results of the legal action - luckily, there are several mistakes made acc. to guidelines, which my doctor even was taking part in its creation. But even if a doctor has worked on a guideline, it unfortunately doesn't mean that he knows what he's talking about, and also it doesn't even mean that he adheres to his own guidelines or knows them well. Thus its only a nightmare with doctors and I really wonder, how a patient can trust a doctor, but which, on the other site is a prerequisite for medical treatment and always means that we are trusting our life to this person, that is not caring about their treatment results
 
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