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CFS/ME and Nature

Davsey27

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Hello everyone,

I am curious if living in the countryside

Or somewhere where there is low emf

and being grounded barefoot

Can possibly cure CFS/ME

Thanks
 

Wishful

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I live in the middle of the woods (Alberta boreal forest). Nearest power line is about miles away. Nearest cell tower is about 18 km away (without direct line-of sight). No usable cell signal at my cabin. I use a solar panel for power, and the inverter is off unless I'm using my computer, which is only a few hours a day (or less). So, very low EMF. I do go barefoot in summer.

Nope, hasn't had any effect on my ME.
 

Davsey27

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Wishful

Thank You for sharing this

I am new here and trying to learn

Do you notice significant improvement

in the summer when you are

grounding in sunlight?

Curious if your maternal grandparents

are from around the same/similar

latitude from the equator.

Reason i ask is because Dr Jack

Kruse mentions that ME is caused

by poor redox from Mitochondrial

engines and charge being lost

caused by lack of sunlight,

grounding and exposure to Non-

Native EMF

I am still learning about CFS/ME

and peoples personal experiences

as i have CFS which is triggered by

EMF.Perhaps in the 30s on the severity

Scale.I walked barefoot for an hour

And a half in the forest thinking it

would restore my charge.Perhaps

this takes time.Defintely feel better

than being in the city.I appreciate your

feedback wishful as i would like to be

enlightened about this condition.

Thank You
 

Wishful

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I don't experience any seasonal differences in my ME. Nor from sunny or cloudy periods, or humid/dry periods. My grandparents would have been from similar latitudes.

I checked Jack Kruse's site. Sorry, it sounds like pseudoscience to me. Mitochondrial issues are possibly (I believe likely) involved in ME, but that's still unproven. The bit about charge being lost doesn't make sense to me.

If you're barefoot on moist soil (dry soil is an insulator), you'd ground static charge, but that's not EMF, that's just EF. A static charge would be distributed on the outside of your body, so it shouldn't affect cells inside the body. You can't 'ground' EMF, because 'AC charge' doesn't make sense.

At low frequencies, grounding your feet might maximize the possible biological effects (good or bad), since the induced currents would flow through your body to/from the ground. However, at low frequencies, your body is such a small fraction of the wavelength that your efficiency as an antenna is very low, so it shouldn't be an issue unless you live under a multi-megawatt radio antenna. Also, at those wavelengths, radio operators go to considerable effort to maximize their ground connections, burying long wires or driving lots of metal rods (connected by wires) into the ground. Bare feet on soil is a very, very poor connection compared to that.

When the wavelength is closer to body size, your coupling ratio (amount of EM energy captured) would increase, but the skin effect comes into play, and the induced currents would be restricted to the outside of your body, shielding most of your cells. You can work out the math of it if you're really interested.

At much shorter wavelengths, the effects should be quickly attenuated with depth (more math if you want the numbers), again protecting most of your body. Grounding is ineffective. Note that cell phone antennas don't require a ground connection to transmit/receive signals.

Have you done any double-blind testing for EMF sensitivity? That's pretty much required to verify it, since it's so easy to feel symptoms you expect to feel. If you've done any testing, have you determined which frequencies you are most sensitive to, at which intensities? That might give some idea of what biological mechanism is involved.

Also, if your ME is caused by exposure to EMF, staying in a Faraday cage should produce remission, or at least avoid triggering. If it doesn't, maybe reconsider the EMF->ME hypothesis.
 

Davsey27

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Wishful i appreciate your anecdotal

Perspective on the relationship

between this condition and EMF


I would also like to share mine

A year ago i was walking 2-3 hours daily

In the woods.Occasionally up to

5 barefoot.

I would arrive In the forest with aches

And pains and grounding for a couple

hours in sandy creek water would

alleviate the immflamation i would

Then have the charge to walk several

Hours a day

The purpose of grounding my feet for

Me was to be in harmony with the earths

natural schumman frequency since doing

So seemed to alleviate the immflamation

Caused by city living particularly

Wifi,cell phones, and cell towers

I went back to the city where

i stay 1km

From the atlanta international airport

For the past 5 years without crashes

At that time a year ago.

I did this most days a week and was

Probably in the best health of my

Life being in the forest


And slowly i became more sensitive to

Emf would get electric sensation and

Nuerological weakness and confusion

Around routers and cell phones

The back and forth between 5 hours

In the forest and 19 hours in the city

was like living in two different worlds

I felt healed in the forest only if i stayed

There

Then as i could no longer tolerate the

Lengthy walks and started being attune

To nerve fields in the body,muscle aches

And pains and PEM particularily

In the city.

Seem more systemic where a year

Ago grounding in the forest would

Alleviate the PEM

Now it feels like it still helps but

The CFIDS is still there perhaps takes

Staying in the forest indefinetlly

To Recover

I started to suspect CFS/ME

I made recent videos to compare before

And after and i notice being much

More grounded in the first video. A year

Ago then the second.

If i am In the city can walk about 10

Around EMF

Mins before needing to rest

In the forest maybe 20-30 on a good day

barefoot

Sometimes longer

Overdoing either will trigger PEM

A year ago the gap was much wider

Where i can go a few hours of walking

Without PEM when barefoot

Perhaps due to Past EBV although i

currently dont have it caused an injury

To the atp cycle.

Or perhaps my dna sequencing is

meant

To live Pre-emf where outdoor natural

And artificial light after sunset wasn’t

Present with our ancestors

Being in a small subset of individuals

with MS,Cancer,CFS,ME,Alzheimers,ALS

and other autoimmune diseases where

living in these fields doesnt match with

your mitochondrial functioning amd

genome.

Perhaps LDN can assist in helping

Me build up to be independent and work

For 6 Hours in a WOOF farm or Foreign

Country with low emf

I dont know

Parents will be moving closer

to the airport apartments

In June.Its easier to take 1200 usd

In savings and move to a lower emf

Environment.CFIDS has made this more

difficult.Unfortunately none of The docs

I met here in Georgia are willing to

diagnose this.5g will also be coming

To atlanta soon

Thank You All

First video age 32


Second video age 33 at my home near

The atlanta international airport


Back at the same forest age 33


Thank You all

I have had to diagnosis myself with

CFS/ME because none of the MDs will

Diagnose it and a chripractor

acknowleged

It but doesnt have the ability to diagnose

It

I know Paul Cheney recommemded

To sleep with the circuit Breakers off

And a canopy

Think he realizes the Connection

between CFIDS and emf in some

I take Klonopon 0.5 tid
 
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Wishful

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I believe that low levels of EMF don't have any significant biological effects. Lots of people feel better when walking in a natural environment, for reasons other than EMF levels, such as it looking and smelling better than an urban environment, and avoiding the stresses of the urban environment.

As I suggested, if you really believe EMF exposure is affecting your health, try shielding. A couple of rolls of aluminum foil should be a relatively inexpensive way to shield a small bedroom, or you could attach it to a blanket or bathrobe and wear that around the house. It's a cheap and easy way to test whether your sensitivity is real or not. Even better would be some sort of double-blind test, where someone else controls your EMF environment (turning a cell phone or wifi transmitter on or off) without your knowing it. If you control it yourself, you can convince yourself to feel better or worse based on your expectations, so it's not really a valid test.

As for grounding, wire up a grounding strap in your home, and wear that when convenient. It's just a wire connected to the house ground, which would be a superior ground than being barefoot on soil. I can't see how it could affect health, positive or negative, but it's easy to test. You could double-blind that test by including a covered switch that someone else sets to electrically connect it to ground or not, and records which way it's switched at what time.
 

Davsey27

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I believe that low levels of EMF don't have any significant biological effects. Lots of people feel better when walking in a natural environment, for reasons other than EMF levels, such as it looking and smelling better than an urban environment, and avoiding the stresses of the urban environment.

As I suggested, if you really believe EMF exposure is affecting your health, try shielding. A couple of rolls of aluminum foil should be a relatively inexpensive way to shield a small bedroom, or you could attach it to a blanket or bathrobe and wear that around the house. It's a cheap and easy way to test whether your sensitivity is real or not. Even better would be some sort of double-blind test, where someone else controls your EMF environment (turning a cell phone or wifi transmitter on or off) without your knowing it. If you control it yourself, you can convince yourself to feel better or worse based on your expectations, so it's not really a valid test.

As for grounding, wire up a grounding strap in your home, and wear that when convenient. It's just a wire connected to the house ground, which would be a superior ground than being barefoot on soil. I can't see how it could affect health, positive or negative, but it's easy to test. You could double-blind that test by including a covered switch that someone else sets to electrically connect it to ground or not, and records which way it's switched at what time.




Hello wishful

Thank you for the aluminum foil

suggestion

i do appreciate it

With EMF there have been a number

Of independent scientific studies that

Have shown that even in low levels

Emf has been shown to cause

alterations in DNA,and actually cause

DNA damage and other systemic

effects.Professor Martin Pall is one

Professor who has written about

these effects

He has even found that emf can cause

Nueropsychiatric effects

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0891061815000599

I have spoken to Dr.Pall and he told

me that there is no mitigation strategy

Against 5g and the only thing one

can do is leave.

What you will find is that most of the

independently conducted studies have

concluded that emf has harmful effects

to plant and animal life

The studies conducted by the

telecommunication industry who has

a vested financial interest have found

Most studies have concluded there is

Little to no effect.

This shows how in America decisions

are made by those who have the most

money unfortunately.

In my own situation mrs wishful

I notice i particularily wake up wired

and find the wifi on in the office.

Sometimes if i am struggling to sleep

throughout the night and the wifi is not

On i will ask my father if he is streaming

something on his phone overnignt to

which the answer is usually yes.

Also purchased a meter where i

measured most of my town and the

readings were on the upper end of the

scale.Because telecomm knows that the

Kids are more interested In faster netflix

They will take advantage of this

financially even at the cost of

Ones health.

As one example there has been no

Studies done on this new 5g and

The US federal trade commision is

giving big telecomm the ok.

This is bad news for individuals with

Autoimmune conditions and the corrupt

Government and corporations are

allowing this

1.Rates of Urban mortaility have gone
Up


2.Rates of Suicides have gone up

3.Rates of opiod addiction has gone
Up


4.Rates of autoimmune
Conditions such as ms,cfs/me as well
as cancer have gone up among the younger population


40 years ago when there was less

radiation and the food was cleaner

Rates of Cancer,suicide,autoimmune

Disease were much lower among the

younger population.


It would be nice to get a social security

disability for cfs and live in the

countryside where i can help others

without worry about

finances.Unfortunately the doctors

here in the south don’t believe in

CFS if your blood cell count, metabolic

panel,thyroid ,crp,sed rate is normal.

Very conservative when it comes

to these types of conditions and will

blame it on mental illness

And they dont want to do any more tests.

Thank you wishful

I appreciate it
 
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Wishful

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I did skim one of Dr. Pall's papers, and wasn't impressed. He seemed to be quite strident about some things 'EMF affects VCCGs!', but also uses waffle-wording, such as 'possibly' or 'appears to', which to me means that he's trying to make weak or controversial results look like strong evidence.

I dug a bit further, reading some other papers that supposedly support the 'EMF exposure is a health hazard' claims. They seemed weak to me. One had a confusing chart which seemed to show differences between mice exposed and not exposed to EMF, but it seemed like fairly small differences. Another paper made a big deal about 'people who talk on a cell phone for over an hour are more likely to develop headaches'. I'd get a headache talking on a shielded landline for that long. A couple of other papers supporting EMF health hazards quite clearly admitted that various evidence was still inconclusive or controversial.

Many industries do have an economic incentive to disclaim harm from EMFs. However, researchers and media people (authors, consultants, etc) also have economic or personal incentives to exaggerate health scares. A paper with weak evidence of a potential health issue may get published and cited, which provides financial benefits. Research that looks for such health hazards and finds no evidence of it is likely to go unpublished. It's simply more beneficial to find evidence of possible health hazards even if you have to carefully manipulate the experiment or data presentation to do that.

I still haven't found any papers that have convinced me of a significant link between EMF exposure and health. I think it's possible for there to be measurable biological effects, but I haven't seem any clear evidence of significant (actually noticeable by people) effects. I consider it still a murky, controversial subject where researchers are still trying to find strong evidence, but haven't managed to yet.

It should be easy to shield yourself from 5G radiation. I expect there are already manufacturers getting ready to roll out their lines of 5G shielding clothing and accessories and wallcoverings and whatever. The trick is making them not look too goofy (tinfoil hats).
 

Wishful

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I just came across this page: ( https://www.theverge.com/interface/...moderator-conspiracy-theories-stress-exposure ) and it made me think of this thread. Two quotes:

'But research does show that people become more susceptible to fringe views when they are experiencing stress' <and ME is certainly stressful!>

and

'Conspiracy content is engineered to be persuasive.'

Maybe the article will give some people a different perspective on conspiracy theories.
 

Davsey27

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Wishful thank you for your insight

5g operates at a power density of 60-90 ghz.

A power density that has the ability to

heat crops

The telecomm doesn’t even have interest

In testing 5g in humans

Current 4glte cell phones and wifi

operates at a frequency of 2-5ghz

When you say low emf.

We must define what low is.

The guidelines for safe levels in the us

Are 1000 times higher than many

european nations who’s democratic

socialist governements have laws were

Wifi is banned in schools because of its

Effects on smaller brains.

http://www.parentsforsafetechnology.org/worldwide-countries-taking-action.html


These countries

are more interested in social wellness

and less in regards to profit compared

with the west.We must remember that

Research is not only important when

done in the united states but also in

European nations as well.Often these

Researchers in democratic socialist

Companies are not making millions

Like in the US.They make standard

salaries and often do the work out of

Passion and not financial interest.

Not to say that one can be a capitalist

And do the research out of both passion

And financial interest but usually as

we have learned through the course

Of human history greed can sometimes

Get in the way mrs wishful.
The russians studies the

effects of microwave frequencies in the

early 1900s and there have been many

Studies published on the effects on

human and animal systems.And many

Of them have found negative effects on

The immune,nervous,endrocine system of

Living systems.

This has been well documented for years

and is no conspiracy.

I go to pubmed and find studies that

are done independently to find data.

There is no way to shield a 5g power

density that has been designed yet.

This is not some conspiracy because of

The hundreds of studies that have been

done.

Also Firefighters in california suffered

When a 5g tower was installed behind

There building.They were able to get the

Federal Trade Commision to put it on

hold because they are united.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...-renewed-concerns-over-impacts-on-health/amp/


I ask many people in public what they

think of emf and many respond by saying

What is emf?

I do this to get a survey and also because

I am concerned
Because more are interested in netflix

and the people are not united

The telecommunication company don’t

Have any regulations to the limits of

RF frequency.This is the Problem

Mrs Wishful i appreciate your skepticism

and also rember that we are electric

creatures as our body operates on

an electrical frequencies in addition to

biology there is alot of physics that

happens electrically in human biological

Processes.Becker has written a book

this in great detail.

https://www.amazon.com/Body-Electric-Electromagnetism-Foundation-Life/dp/0688069711
Unfortunately,modern

Medical school curriculum is focused on

the biological pathophysiology but often

Neglects the physics.

Thank You Mrs Wishful

Appreciate you sharing your prespective
 

sb4

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@Wishful I think your position is that you don't think there is conclusive evidence either way, but you lean to the side of it being not very harmful. Doesn't this make you a "conspiracy theorist"? The mainstream view is that is has been proven time and again that non ionizing / thermal emfs cause no harm and anyone who thinks overwise is tin foil hats.

I happen to hold the same position as you, I don't know if EMFs are harmful or not, there are studies either way, I just lean more towards it is harmful. Problem with phraises like conspiracy theorist is that it dumps all non mainstream ideas into tin foil hat territory.
 

Wishful

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I don't think that not finding any conclusive evidence makes me a conspiracy theorist; it just makes me undecided, but with a slight bias. I'm waiting for stronger evidence.
 

Davsey27

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Sb4 and wishful appreciate you sharing

Your thoughts on the forum

As each individuals anectodal

experience

Is part of what makes us unique

Perhaps more so than what the docs

Say

I think there are paradadigms of truth

For each individual

Interesting sb4 that when i started

becoming interested in CFS/ME and

Dr Kruse views your posts came up

About how Dr Kruse ideas helped you

with your cfs/me

Then i here and seen youtube videos

Where ME patients wear blindfolds

and avoid sunlight because it can worsen

ME in bedridden or severe ME cases

I try to be objective in finding truth

And perhaps there are different

paradigms of truth for each person

I would not take a ME patient who suffers

More from sunlight exposure and make

them get sunlight.I am not a fan of set

beliefs.Although i believe that 5g is

Not good for anyone.

Yes,Sunlight is very important

Perhaps for some with CFS/Me not so

Much.Same with Grounding

Same with avoiding EMF

Anecdotally i feel better away from emf

And also am sensitive to cold weather

and hot weather.Even with ancestors

Coming from subsaharan africa.

There are many who spend alot of

Time in blue light and wifi yet dont have

Issues or get autoimmune conditions

Including people who have come from

My latitude in ethiopia with the same

Genetic haplotype M1a1 comimg

From my family

Some live up north in toronto or emf

Packed washington DC

Yet there mitochondria isnt comprimised

To a point where they have autoimmune

Like CFS/ME Or Electromagnetic

hypersensitivity syndrome

yet i seem to be affected so i have

To deal with it anecdotally and apply

Kruse’s ideas since it is applicable to

me.Also Paul Cheney’s idea of

excitotoxicity and the fact that he

recommended sleeping with the circuits

Off at night back in the 90s in the

1-2 G era made me

More Curious and interested in CFS/ME

Perhaps he saw something in his

patients for him to make that

reccomemdation.

Anyways appreciate everyones

personal experience as n=1


Thank you ladies and gents

Appreciate it
 
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Wishful

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5g operates at a power density of 60-90 ghz.


There is no way to shield a 5g power

density that has been designed yet.


and also rember that we are electric

creatures as our body operates on

an electrical frequencies

I don't feel like splitting quotes, so I just included a few bits.

Power density is not measured in GHz. It would be measured in Watts/m^2. I don't think they've decided on specifications for power density yet. Whether it can heat crops depends on the power density, and the specifications will certainly be well below that required for noticeable heating. All EMF is capable of causing heating; just how much depends on power density. Frequency merely affects the efficiency of power transfer.

While the exact specifications haven't been finalized, it's still easy to shield against what we can expect. A thin conductive coating will work. I'm not sure how thin a layer of aluminum would have to be to be inadequate, but typical foil should block it 100%, even if you're standing right next to a cell tower antenna.

Our bodies generate EMF at various frequencies, but I wouldn't describe it as operating on electrical signals at different frequencies. The generated EMF is the result of chemical reactions and ion movement, but there aren't any inherent 'electrical frequencies' existing in our bodies. Even heart rate is the result of chemical reactions, not from some 'electrical frequency' somehow separate from the body. Likewise, brainwaves are the result of ion movement.

Unfortunately, there are plenty of pseudoscience books making claims about the body being influenced by some mysterious electrical fields or magic energies, and more unfortunately, these books (and other media) aren't clearly marked 'Pseudoscience'. It's up to readers to seek out other, more credible, sources to confirm or refute such claims.
 

Davsey27

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I don't feel like splitting quotes, so I just included a few bits.

Power density is not measured in GHz. It would be measured in Watts/m^2. I don't think they've decided on specifications for power density yet. Whether it can heat crops depends on the power density, and the specifications will certainly be well below that required for noticeable heating. All EMF is capable of causing heating; just how much depends on power density. Frequency merely affects the efficiency of power transfer.

While the exact specifications haven't been finalized, it's still easy to shield against what we can expect. A thin conductive coating will work. I'm not sure how thin a layer of aluminum would have to be to be inadequate, but typical foil should block it 100%, even if you're standing right next to a cell tower antenna.

Our bodies generate EMF at various frequencies, but I wouldn't describe it as operating on electrical signals at different frequencies. The generated EMF is the result of chemical reactions and ion movement, but there aren't any inherent 'electrical frequencies' existing in our bodies. Even heart rate is the result of chemical reactions, not from some 'electrical frequency' somehow separate from the body. Likewise, brainwaves are the result of ion movement.

Unfortunately, there are plenty of pseudoscience books making claims about the body being influenced by some mysterious electrical fields or magic energies, and more unfortunately, these books (and other media) aren't clearly marked 'Pseudoscience'. It's up to readers to seek out other, more credible, sources to confirm or refute such claims.


Chemical reactions and electric

frequencies.It’s both.

The heart rate is controlled by the

pacemaker through electric pulses

Waves in the brain are also electrical

Although as you say many chemical

reactions As well well occur

Ever seen an ecg or ekg reading?

Microbes in the gut also communicate

Electronically.

Professor Trevor Marshall mentioned

That putting people in emf protective

Clothing would stimulate the immune

Systems as the gut microbes are now

In a different environment when you are

Shielded.

I have worn full body protection suits

With siliverell inside and it seemed to

Intensify the emf effects essentially felt

Like an antennae making my emf

symptoms worse.

I left my last job in the middle of a shift

Because i felt wired,zapped and weak.

I have never experienced this in the

forest and i believe it does have to

do with frequencies.

Our anscestors instinctively slept

grounded.During the victorian age

bigger beds were introduced.

My body voltage was

too high.Went straight to the park and

grounded my feet.The zapped

sensations and cortisol went down.

I have experience this many times in

work even while the work was easy.

Thank you wishful
 
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sb4

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@Davsey27 Following Jack Kruses leptin reset helped me very significantly before I got ill. After I got ill, some kruse things helped, some had negatives (the heat from sun kills me, I think due to no sweating). Whilst following kruse I was on a downward trajectory and perhaps krusing slowed it. Since discovering I had POTS I have been able to make slow and steady improvements.

I think you may have some strange settings on your computer my friend as your messages keep appearing broken into new lines making every few words a new paragraph.

@Wishful Whilst it is current conventional wisdom that although the body produces EMFs they are just random noise that has little meaning, that could easily change as we learn more on how the body works. I read a book a year or two ago called life on the edge (???) by Jim Alkalihli and John McFadden, two physicists that seem to not be crazy/conspiracy theorists in which they where demonstrating how life uses and needs quantum effects despite it being said to be impossible in non super cooled warm wet bodies. The describe how the electron chain transport uses electron tunneling, and how enzymes/DNA use proton tunneling. How chlorophyll uses super state to have 100% efficiency, they also talk about sense of smell and magnetic sensing in birds but I forgot how this works. If you have some spare time and cash you might want to check it out, it is written in a level headed scientific way however it still manages to be a page turner.
 

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Quantum effects occur at higher temperatures too. The semiconductors in your computer depend on it. Maintaining quantum entanglement at long distances at high temperatures is much harder. I'm not sure how hard it is for electrons jumping from one atom to another in a molecule.

I checked some reviews of that book, and it sounds like they offer some good science, but then slip in some pure speculation without being clear that it is just speculation. One reviewer described it as: 'The authors go off the rails and enter the land of woo with ascribing the origins of life, the genetic code in general and mutations in particular, and our consciousness as best understood by quantum mechanical processes.' I've read other books where the authors seem to feel that since quantum physics isn't fully understood, they can use it to make whatever unsupported claims they feel like. Biochemical reactions involving quantum tunnelling seems reasonable to me. It doesn't mean that life is some inexplicable quantum magic.
 

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I have worn full body protection suits
With siliverell inside and it seemed to
Intensify the emf effects essentially felt
Like an antennae making my emf
symptoms worse.

That seems like a good example of the nocebo effect. You believed that it made you feel worse, even though it had to reduce the EMF strength (basic physics). It would be like someone sensitive to UV light saying that the symptoms felt even worse when they were in a totally dark room. The placebo and nocebo effects can be quite powerful for some people. That's why double-blind testing is needed for such things as EMF sensitivity.
 

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That seems like a good example of the nocebo effect. You believed that it made you feel worse, even though it had to reduce the EMF strength (basic physics). It would be like someone sensitive to UV light saying that the symptoms felt even worse when they were in a totally dark room. The placebo and nocebo effects can be quite powerful for some people. That's why double-blind testing is needed for such things as EMF sensitivity.

I feel better in the warm forest Ms

Mary Spent a couple hrs there today

And was able to walk for about

An hour and a half taking breaks

In urban this would lead to pem

less to worry about sound sensitivity

Less wired and overall feel less

Pain aches and imflammtation in the

forest as well as more feeling more

androgenic when i am in the forest

As you say possibily the quietness

From Urban Life may play a significant

role.

On the CFS/ME end of things

any reccomendations ms wishful

I have about 1400usd to my name

I appreciate all the work the docs do

But i find it uphill to get a diagnosis

Any creative ways i can make living in

the forest A full time thing with my

current finances and cfs?

Made a video a year ago

Prior to level 3 CFS and this is where

I feel home

A year ago i spent a night in one of their

Cabins and felt less inflammed.


I stay with my parents near the airport

Thank you wishful
 
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@Wishful @Davsey27 Well some reviewers will always think that but if I remember from reading the book they were clear they were speculating, which IMO is fair enough since there are still many mysterys on the human body and we are far from a complete picture as of yet.

As for the the body suit thing, as far as I am aware, a farade cage has to be completely sealed so if there are any gaps you could potentially be making it worse some how, I don't know the mechanisms behind it though, perhaps it causes the waves to be bounced around in the suit.

It is very difficult to separate what effects are from being out it nature and what are from emfs. As you state in the video there are many effects that nature has. If it however has significant effects on reducing your symptoms then the argument is somewhat redundant.