CDC ME/CFS Chief, Dr. William Reeves Passes: A Look Back

I wonder what this is...Its too early for the CFI Lipkin study. It's clearly not the XMRV study..It could be the BSRI CDC study. The CAA has a similar study underway...

I thought the Lipkin study had been expected for June 30 so isn't that overdue?
Sasha,
I think Cort was saying That it would be too early for the CFI Lipkin study which I believe is the one looking for novel pathogens in ME. The Lipkin HGRV/XMRV study is overdue, yes and they keep saying it'll be out in a few more weeks or months and then it gets delayed again.
 
Sasha,
I think Cort was saying That it would be too early for the CFI Lipkin study which I believe is the one looking for novel pathogens in ME. The Lipkin HGRV/XMRV study is overdue, yes and they keep saying it'll be out in a few more weeks or months and then it gets delayed again.
 
As I follow these threads, one thought keeps coming back to me again and again: Are we seeing a pandemic big enough and bad enough that if fully recognized and proven, it would break the economic back of nations already on the brink? It has already been noted what a takedown like that would do to Big Pharma. Let a few million people die with their relatives believing they are crazy and lazy, cover up the real history, then get on with the same social experiments again in a few decades. Wouldn't be the first time in history. Read your Marx lately?

Cover-up fits.

I don't think it is too farfetched to believe that parts of this are coming from botched germ warfare experiments. Nor is it too farfetched to think it is coming from deliberate experiments. A huge population makes great guinea pigs. Think me silly and conspiracy paranoid. Moving on to the toxic load in the environment which is totally real... who really knows what full combination of factors are taking us down and wiping out our lives one decade at a time?

I feel completely frustrated for Drs. Cheney and Peterson and others for their efforts to bring this to light. In my mind, they are the heroes in this story, and I hope history sees them that way. They are the Semmelweis figures of our day. Bravo to the long list of doctors and researchers whose names I see over and over as I catch up after 20 years of drugged brain fog.

As for Reeves, I didn't know him by name until now. All I knew was that every time the news had information and quotes from the CDC about this non-illness that was destroying my own life, it was not good news. (During the 90s, listening to my first husband derisively say, "See??") I do feel anger now, of course. It is anger I want to direct as I get the background information into place better, and can begin writing halfway lucid, halfway intelligent letters to people who could shake this up politically. I do not want to see another Reeves in this story ever again. Yeah, yeah, I know... likely we will see several.

Personally, I do not see a remedy or cure coming, one size fits all. But recognition, symptoms management and quality of life issues could be addressed in ways that would give us back our dignity and physical comfort.

Our first line of defense is personal responsibility.
Gracie,

I agree on all your points.

In particular, I wouldn't care about the name "CFS" if it didn't cause and compound so many problems, so I don't think it's nit picking. And I wouldn't care what they called it either if they were going to do bona fide science to figure it out, but they're not, that's their whole plan, not just an accident.

So to make them do bona fide science and to get some measure of relief from the every day abuse, changing the name (ME is the best candidate now) is critical, and it is something we can do right now ourselves at no cost.

What else can we do that takes no effort or money that will lead to better understanding, science and treatment?
 
I think Reeves big mistake - the decision to use random sampling to essentially define ME/CFS - lead to many of his later problems. Once he did that he couldn't find anything positive because the group was so amorphous - so he naturally tended to label this disorder as 'unwellness' and more of a behavioral problem than anything and began doing studies like the immune study -which looked at only 3 factors.

He should have done the opposite; he should have concentrated on patients in ME/CFS doctors clinics and tried to find subsets within that group. If he had done that I think he would have found some really interesting stuff.

Hi, Cort.

I agree with you on this point.

For what it's worth, the GD-MCB hypothesis grew out of interactions in the internet groups with people who actually have ME/CFS, starting with detailed questionnaires about their histories to figure out what the causes are, and constantly coming back to their symptoms to see if these could be explained by the proposed biochemical model for the pathophysiology.

This effort resulted in proposing that there is a variety of root causes, but that there is a common core to the pathophysiology. The common core is what makes it an identifiable disorder, and the variety of causes matches what is found in this population.

The thing that pulls these two disparate-seeming concepts together is the body's known nonspecific response mechanisms to the whole variety of stressors (a la Hans Selye), and the fact that they all end up placing demands on glutathione and producing the same chronic vicious circle mechanism.

In a situation as amorphous as this one is, a "germ's-eye view" is more productive than an overflight.

Best regards,

Rich
 
He should have done the opposite; he should have concentrated on patients in ME/CFS doctors clinics and tried to find subsets within that group. If he had done that I think he would have found some really interesting stuff.
Dr. Reeves had another option, Cort, and so does Dr. Unger. Shortly after the Canadian government allowed a panel of experts to base their criteria on consensus clinical opinion, Dr. Reeves chose instead to operationalize the Fukuda definition. Recently Dr. Levine suggested that CFSAC should consider developing an international, consensus-based, clinical case definition. Dr. Rose added that starting with the CCC, which already separates ME from depression, would enable us to start getting some meaningful research.

For the CDC to insist on its “data driven” process is for the CDC to maintain its control, instead of allowing clinicians to bring their own data and expertise to bear. The CDC is asking clinicians to provide CFS data, but it is not allowing them to specify which case definition they've used. CFS is defined in the US by Reeves (2005) and Fukuda (1994). So if the CDC asks for 400 CFS patients, then that's likely what they'll get. Their data will be driven by their question. Subsequent to Dr. Fletcher's telling the CDC that Dr. Klimas uses the CCC to identify her patients, the CDC gave notice of a follow-on sole-source contract that apparently excludes her.

According to Dr. Unger, “The question being asked over and over is, how do the patients differ in people’s practices.... Is that why the findings in the laboratory are not always translatable?” To answer that question, the CDC plans to define the heterogeneous syndrome that it calls CFS by first gathering data on pre-existing domains and then utilizing unspecified instruments (subject to there being any good ones) to establish severity cut-offs. Reeves et al. (2005) similarly used specific cut-off values on the SF-36, MFI and Symptom Inventory to operationalize Fukuda and identified groups (CFS, ISF and Not Ill) by severity, using cluster analysis. Consistent with Dr. Unger's question, Reeves et al. (2005) purports to “help to clarify the extent to which patients from different referral clinics are similar (or dissimilar).”

Dr. Unger has embraced both Dr. Reeves' methodology and his goals. But she hasn't committed to any methodology for identifying subsets. Fukuda et al. (1994) states, “The central issue in chronic fatigue syndrome research is whether the chronic fatigue syndrome or any subset of it is a pathologically discrete entity, as opposed to a debilitating but nonspecific condition shared by many different entities.” Without committing to a test-retest protocol, how will Dr. Unger address this question?” She writes, “We are planning to collect standardized data on all the domains of illness included in the Canadian Consensus Criteria of CFS/ME (sic), the 1994 CFS definition and the newly proposed International ME definition.” Will Dr. Unger measure PENE and the associated neurological, immune and energy metabolism/transport symptom clusters of ME?

Fukuda et al. (1994) also states, “We support changing the name when more is known about the underlying pathophysiologic process or processes associated with the chronic fatigue syndrome and chronic fatigue.” The ICC incorporates what is known about the underlying pathophysiology of ME. Will Dr. Unger's definition do the same?
 
No amount of paltry achievements can make up for the harm this man did. He purposefully and determinedly stymied meaningful research into what he undoubtedly knew was a serious disease. Millions of lives have been lost one way or another as a result of his actions. He achieved nothing of note in his long tenure, he helped no one. The harm he did is incalculable. That's the truth of it.
 
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