CD4 count

[Daffodil]

i have been on gcmaf for about 3 1/2 months. i got some results today. it appears my relative CD4 count, which is more important than the absolute count, is low - which is disappointing (0.298 with reference range 0.318-0.602). the CD3 count is low too.

the absolute CD4 seems ok at 0.864 {reference range 0.500-1.500)

i hope this percentage improves over time.

cd4/cd8 ratio is normal at 1.2 (reference range 1.0-2.5)

 

[heapsreal]

i have been on gcmaf for about 3 1/2 months. i got some results today. it appears my relative CD4 count, which is more important than the absolute count, is low - which is disappointing (0.298 with reference range 0.318-0.602). the CD3 count is low too.

the absolute CD4 seems ok at 0.864 {reference range 0.500-1.500)

i hope this percentage improves over time.

cd4/cd8 ratio is normal at 1.2 (reference range 1.0-2.5)

Hi Daff,

how do these results compare to previous tests?

cheers!!!

 

[Daffodil]

hi heap. well my last cd4 count was 560 and the one before that was 870...but i dont remember the percentages. i think i had that done in NYC late last year.....but i dont remember it being low. i guess i just have to wait it out. my WBC seem to be a little high also at 10.2, normal range 4 - 11. i wonder if this is going to become a problem

 

[Sing]

Just learned my CD4 to CD8 ratio is 1 to 8, or 1.8 What does this mean? IgG is well below normal, IgM is subnormal and IgA nearly is subnormal. The doctor who did the testing is now referring me to Immunology and having some more tests done. Academic center, no ME/CFS specialists. Do any of you have thoughts on what those results mean? I will have to wait more months to find out what these doctors find out and what they think.

 

[Daffodil]

I think that is in keeping with CFS but I am not entirely sure.

 

[Sushi]

Just learned my CD4 to CD8 ratio is 1 to 8, or 1.8 What does this mean? IgG is well below normal, IgM is subnormal and IgA nearly is subnormal. The doctor who did the testing is now referring me to Immunology and having some more tests done. Academic center, no ME/CFS specialists. Do any of you have thoughts on what those results mean? I will have to wait more months to find out what these doctors find out and what they think.

The range for CD4/CD8 at UZ Brussel is .81 - 3.64. Mine was 2.64.

This is quoted from: http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=167&ContentID=cd4_cd8_ratio
What do my test results mean?
Many things may affect your lab test results. These include the method each lab uses to do the test. Even if your test results are different from the normal value, you may not have a problem. To learn what the results mean for you, talk with your health care provider.
Results for the ratio are given as a number. The results for each cell count are given as a number per cubic millimeter (/mm3).
A normal CD4/CD8 ratio is 2.0, with CD4 lymphocytes equal to or greater than 400/mm3 and CD8 lymphocytes equal to 200 to 800/mm3.
If your ratio is higher than 2, it means your immune system is strong and you may not have HIV.
If your ratio is less than 1, you may have:

• HIV
• Bone marrow problems related to chemotherapy
• Anemia
• Multiple sclerosis, myasthenia gravis, or another nervous system condition

Higher than normal results may mean you have:

• Major infection
• Viral infection
• Type of blood cancer

 

[SOC]

The range for CD4/CD8 at UZ Brussel is .81 - 3.64. Mine was 2.64.

This is quoted from: http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=167&ContentID=cd4_cd8_ratio
What do my test results mean?
Many things may affect your lab test results. These include the method each lab uses to do the test. Even if your test results are different from the normal value, you may not have a problem. To learn what the results mean for you, talk with your health care provider.
Results for the ratio are given as a number. The results for each cell count are given as a number per cubic millimeter (/mm3).
A normal CD4/CD8 ratio is 2.0, with CD4 lymphocytes equal to or greater than 400/mm3 and CD8 lymphocytes equal to 200 to 800/mm3.
If your ratio is higher than 2, it means your immune system is strong and you may not have HIV.
If your ratio is less than 1, you may have:

• HIV
• Bone marrow problems related to chemotherapy
• Anemia
• Multiple sclerosis, myasthenia gravis, or another nervous system condition

Higher than normal results may mean you have:

• Major infection
• Viral infection
• Type of blood cancer

My CD4/CD8 was 5.4 in 3/12 and 6.34 in 1/13, which are both way above normal. So according to Rochester my immune system is strong (??) AND I may have a major infection, a viral infection, or a type of blood cancer.

My daughter's CD4/CD8 was 2.2 a year ago, so "normal". She's fully functional, so that's consistent at least.

I think Rochester may have been referring to HIV patients in particular, and so oversimplified a rather complex situation.

 

[Sushi]

My CD4/CD8 was 5.4 in 3/12 and 6.34 in 1/13, which are both way above normal. So according to Rochester my immune system is strong (??) AND I may have a major infection, a viral infection, or a type of blood cancer.

My daughter's CD4/CD8 was 2.2 a year ago, so "normal". She's fully functional, so that's consistent at least.

I think Rochester may have been referring to HIV patients in particular, and so oversimplified a rather complex situation.

My guess is that when they said "high" they meant high normal, though that wasn't clear. I read it that way cause it was the only way it made sense.

And yes, this was aimed at the HIV community as were all the other references I saw in a quick search of this test.

Sushi

 

[SOC]

My guess is that when they said "high" they meant high normal, though that wasn't clear. I read it that way cause it was the only way it made sense.

And yes, this was aimed at the HIV community as were all the other references I saw in a quick search of this test.

Sushi

You must be right. High normal is good. High (as in above normal) -- not so much, I guess.

 

[pattismith]

for those with a low CD4 count, do you have any thyroid anomaly?

-isolated low T3 or T4
-subclinical hypothyroidism
-hypothyroidism

some explanations here:

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/thyroid-dysfunction-and-hiv.57114/#post-947871

 

[Timaca]

Thyroid is fine. Thanks for sharing though. I have recently found out that my NK cell count is low and my NK function is low also.