Candida disappearing with Calcium

[Hoosierfans]

How this happened I do not know. But I stumbled on something that works for my Candida and geographic tongue…and something that almost NO WHERE is mentioned in Candida treatment forums / pages / resources.

Calcium Citrate

I’ve had bad thrush ever since I got mono in 2006. I’ve tried every antifungal under the sun, including 9 months of lamisil, and I will get some tongue clearing but then it’s right back again. It even burst through the carnivore diet.

Last week I started taking calcium citrate bc it was recommended by someone here struggling with shingles pain (I have similar neuropathic pain) and also I wondered if maybe my long term florinef was messing with my calcium, magnesium or potassium (blood work is fine).

In any event, I thought some calcium for a few days as a test wouldn’t hurt. I took 500 mg 2 x day and now I’m hanging at 250 2 x day. My thrush is practically GONE. It’s crazy.

I could find almost nothing in the literature about calcium and yeast, except this:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35674440/

If anyone has any thoughts about what might be going on, I’d love to hear it!

 

[linusbert]

calcium is important for immune function, it also regulates in case of allergies and probably histamin.

but usually the way would be to increase vitamin D intake which should increase calcium and its function in the body. also vitamin D is very important for immune function.
i am not sure if calcium supplementation might actually mask a vitamin D deficiency.

 

[Hoosierfans]

calcium is important for immune function, it also regulates in case of allergies and probably histamin.

but usually the way would be to increase vitamin D intake which should increase calcium and its function in the body. also vitamin D is very important for immune function.
i am not sure if calcium supplementation might actually mask a vitamin D deficiency.

Yeah I read the Vitamin D connection….maybe that is it. Historically and now, I have low Vit D (20s and 30s). I’ve tried various oral supplements, am on patches now — nothing raises it even when supplementing 5,000 IUs a day (and with cofactors like Mag and K2).

I also have the VDR gene mutation….so difficulty absorbing Vit D.

Maybe the calcium is doing the trick and helping me absorb the D.

The REALLY odd thing is that I’ve had no die off symptoms — in the past, hitting the thrush with any antifungal or something like methylene blue — sends my neuro symptoms and burning pain into the stratosphere. There’s been none of that.

 

[linusbert]

Yeah I read the Vitamin D connection….maybe that is it. Historically and now, I have low Vit D (20s and 30s). I’ve tried various oral supplements, am on patches now — nothing raises it even when supplementing 5,000 IUs a day (and with cofactors like Mag and K2).

i was the same place just a few months ago, i took over 1,5 million IU of vitamin D (over the course of over a year) and it didnt go above 10... then it jumped to 35. i took 40.000 iu per week for over a year until something did change.
same a few years ago when i also couldnt get it far above 10... and then in a few weeks it jumped to 88ng/ml.
maybe the stores were so depleted that it had to saturate all cells especially fat until this happend, and then it rose.

you might try TUDCA, its a form of bile salt which helps in absorbing fat vitamins like vitamin D.
i also heard that taurin might help. though taurin also comes with TUDCA... UDCA+Taurin=TUDCA.

also for vitamin D metabolism following nutrients are very important:
Vitamin A, Zink, Selen.
the vitamin D receptor also needs retinol. and zink.

The REALLY odd thing is that I’ve had no die off symptoms

you might not have had candida all along and something different. or you have candida and the problem you solved had nothing to do with candida.

 

[Hoosierfans]

Thanks. No it’s def Candida — it’s in all my stool tests, we tested what is on my tongue and it’s positive for Candida, and my blood work consistently has IGM antibodies to Candida. So it’s def Candida.

I’m copper deficient so I can’t take zinc, but I do take a bit of Vit A. Anyway, I’ll keep up with the calcium and see how my D levels are at my next check. Maybe the calcium is helping get my D up. I can hope!

 

[linusbert]

I’m copper deficient so I can’t take zinc, but I do take a bit of Vit A. Anyway, I’ll keep up with the calcium and see how my D levels are at my next check. Maybe the calcium is helping get my D up. I can hope!

did you measure coeruloplasmin as well? and did you measure copper in hair mineral analysis?
i do as well btw, deficient in coeruloplasmin, copper and hair copper. and i still take zink from time to time hope it doesnt make things worse.

 

[Hoosierfans]

My doc monitors my ceruloplasmin, copper, zinc and all iron measurements monthly via blood work. I had a couple of HMTs done years ago but I’m not sure how much faith I have in them. Regardless, they also showed low copper. My ceruloplasmin is also always deficient.

I’ve been thoroughly worked up for Wilson’s disease and don’t have it…so it’s a true deficiency.

 

[Springbok1988]

I don’t know if this helps but many years ago I had oral thrush covering most of my mouth (later I discovered it was because of a cinnamon gum I was chewing) and got rid of it nearly overnight by chewing on a clove of garlic and holding it in my mouth for a few minutes.

 

[Wayne]

nothing raises it even when supplementing 5,000 IUs a day (and with cofactors like Mag and K2).

Hi @Hoosierfans -- My understanding is 5,000 IUs is way too little supplementation if a person is trying to get Vit. D levels back to normal. In Dr. Berg's video, he recommends taking 50,000 IUs daily, which he says a person can safely do for a while (days or weeks, can't quite remember).

I've heard that Vit. D requirements are pretty similar to Vit. C requirements when a person is being challenged by some kind of infection/pathogen. In short, the body can use WAY more of each when sick, and way beyond what would be normal supplementation. From what I can gather, warnings about potential excessive Vit. D supplementation don't take any of this into consideration.

 

[brenda]

You need vitamin K (MK4) for proper calcium distribution.

 

[BrightCandle]

My understanding is 5,000 IUs is way too little supplementation if a person is trying to get Vit. D levels back to normal. In Dr. Berg's video, he recommends taking 50,000 IUs daily, which he says a person can safely do for a while (days or weeks, can't quite remember).

A person in the sun all day apparently accumulates 28,000 IUs and would do so all summer. There does seem to be a very big difference from the minimum we can sustain ourselves from serious disease on the bottom (about 1000 IU + diet) to 30x that which would normally be generated by an abled bodied individual.

I am not convinced Vitamin D will do much of anything to someone's health however at higher quantities based on my own experiences.

 

[Wayne]

I am not convinced Vitamin D will do much of anything to someone's health however at higher quantities based on my own experiences.

Hi @BrightCandle -- I suspect it's an individual thing. I've run across information regarding people having polymorphisms that inhibit the absorption of Vit. D. Those who have this may need very high levels of supplementation to notice a difference.

 

[linusbert]

@Hoosierfans i just stumbled upon this vitamin D video which fits into the topic:

Spoiler

 

[Nosferatu80]

I had the same success with calcium citrate, it also stopped my routine sore throat and improved my sleep and gut motility, but after using NAC for 3 months the calcium started to give me strange pains in my feet and make me a little agitated, after supplementing with thiamine a few months later and having a very strong allergic reaction, I couldn't take calcium anymore without having this strange histaminic reaction to it. I think NAC completely depleted my copper and it gets worse when I try to take calcium again, I'm back to zero with my oral trush.

 

[L'engle]

Boron might help to be able to absorb calcium without having to supplement it.

 

[acrosstheveil]

Boron might help to be able to absorb calcium without having to supplement it.

boron is great but for me, i still needed to supplement calcium. almost every form of calcium made me worse and dicalcium malate actually seemed to lower my calcium levels. the only form that works consistently, is calcium lactate. I use the Standard Process powder.

 

[linusbert]

I had the same success with calcium citrate, it also stopped my routine sore throat and improved my sleep and gut motility, but after using NAC for 3 months the calcium started to give me strange pains in my feet and make me a little agitated, after supplementing with thiamine a few months later and having a very strong allergic reaction, I couldn't take calcium anymore without having this strange histaminic reaction to it. I think NAC completely depleted my copper and it gets worse when I try to take calcium again, I'm back to zero with my oral trush.

i did not quite unterstand the chronology of things. did NAC make you have pains after 3 month, or did thiamine a few months later? did thiamine supplementation give you the allergic reaction?

you could also have a allergic reaction because the supplement provider did change something. this happens me all the time from one charge to the next. where the new charge is provoking allergic reaction and the old charge not.

 

[Nosferatu80]

i did not quite unterstand the chronology of things. did NAC make you have pains after 3 month, or did thiamine a few months later? did thiamine supplementation give you the allergic reaction?

you could also have a allergic reaction because the supplement provider did change something. this happens me all the time from one charge to the next. where the new charge is provoking allergic reaction and the old charge not.

NAC triggered an allergic reaction (MCAS/histamine intolerance), thiamine made the situation even worse and after that I became sensitive to a series of substances, including anti-inflammatories, calcium supplements, probiotics, some digestive enzymes... it seems that after this unfortunately experience everything end up trigging an allergic reaction in me.

 

[linusbert]

NAC triggered an allergic reaction (MCAS/histamine intolerance), thiamine made the situation even worse and after that I became sensitive to a series of substances, including anti-inflammatories, calcium supplements, probiotics, some digestive enzymes... it seems that after this unfortunately experience everything end up trigging an allergic reaction in me.

fuck, this is shit, and i sadly know this. i get this from b vitamins too, didnt figure out which one exactly. i suspected thiamine or pantethine.
for me it usually gets better after 1-2 weeks of not taking those.

EDIT: thats what AI spit out in regards of thiamin:

Spoiler

Sir, several metabolic actions might explain why benfotiamine intake could exacerbate allergies and mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS) problems:





1. Thiamine Metabolism: Benfotiamine is a synthetic derivative of thiamine (vitamin B1) and is metabolized into thiamine in the body. This process might involve intermediary metabolites or by-products that can trigger immune responses in sensitive individuals.


2. Histamine Release: Benfotiamine might indirectly promote the release of histamine from mast cells. Histamine is a key mediator in allergic reactions and can cause symptoms such as itching, swelling, and rashes. Increased histamine levels can worsen MCAS symptoms.


3. Oxidative Stress: Benfotiamine is known for its antioxidant properties, which can alter the redox balance in cells. In some individuals, this alteration might inadvertently trigger mast cell degranulation, leading to an increase in allergic symptoms.


4. Cytokine Production: Benfotiamine can influence the production of certain cytokines (cell signaling molecules). Cytokines like IL-6 and TNF-alpha can play a role in inflammatory and allergic responses. An imbalance in cytokine production could exacerbate MCAS and allergy symptoms.


5. Impact on Gut Microbiota: Benfotiamine might affect gut microbiota composition. Changes in gut microbiota can influence immune system function and could potentially lead to increased sensitivity and allergic responses.


6. Enzyme Interaction: Benfotiamine might interact with enzymes involved in histamine metabolism, such as diamine oxidase (DAO). If benfotiamine inhibits DAO, histamine degradation would be impaired, leading to higher histamine levels and worsening of MCAS symptoms.

it makes claims that it might increase histamin by reducing DAO. i dont know if this is true. and if this is enough to explain the increased allergy potential. so far i believe histamin is responsible for the allergy response strength , but it doesnt increase the potential for new allergies. i could be wrong here, i dont know.
also i do not react to histamine rich foods like people with histamin intolerance do. i can eat the bad cheese , and i actually do eat a lot of cheese and not have symptoms (maybe i do but i do not feel a timely direct causation)