Firestormm
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It's a bit weird that response from Ellen now I have read it. Ah well. I guess it makes the points... strange though..
I dunno, I thought it was pretty spot onIt's a bit weird that response from Ellen now I have read it. Ah well. I guess it makes the points... strange though..
Collings and Newton also alluded to secondary (financial) gain. Surely, only a fool would try and obtain benefits using a contested illness.
A few years ago when similar views were expressed, a group of medical experts offered to inject the sceptics with enterovirus, the pathogen most often associated with post-viral CFS. So far, the sceptics have been surprisingly reluctant to take up their offer. Why? If the illness is largely a product of the transmission of information, they will not become ill.
In what way do you find it weird?It's a bit weird that response from Ellen now I have read it. Ah well. I guess it makes the points... strange though..
mmmm..... doesn't one call that 'faith healing' ??Yeah and when doctors or psychologists become ill they don't do CBT either.
The psychobabblers have nothing to fear if it's really mind over matter as they can control their immune system with their all powerful positive thoughts that will kill pathogens more efficiently than high dose radiation.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8050655/ME-patients-banned-from-giving-blood.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...nic-fatigue-syndrome-from-donating-blood.html
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/192814.php
Strange that the mainstream media and health officials seem to love to spread the it's all in your mind ideas but get scared when their own health is at risk.
The have nothing to fear, even when they get infected they can still do some CBT and GET.
I must have another disease then 'ME self employed variant' since I was self employed both in the run up to ME and for many years with it.Didn't Ris Weasel say the self employed don't get it because they can not afford to?
I must have another disease then 'ME self employed variant' since I was self employed both in the run up to ME and for many years with it.
mmmm..... doesn't one call that 'faith healing' ??
The American Cancer Society states "available scientific evidence does not support claims that faith healing can actually cure physical ailments."[3] "Death, disability, and other unwanted outcomes have occurred when faith healing was elected instead of medical care for serious injuries or illnesses."[3] When parents use faith healing in the place of medical care, many children have died that otherwise would have been expected to live.[4] Similar results are found in adults.[5]
It has finally gone up: http://www.bmj.com/content/329/7472/928/rr/703896Susanna Agardy submitted this four days ago to the BMJ, but it hasn't gone up, so she has started posting it around:
Response to ‘Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome a meme?’
Susanna Agardy
Below is a rapid response I have submitted to the BMJ which has not been published. It is a response to another rapid response ‘Is chronic Fatigue Syndrome a meme?’ by Anthony D Collings Consultant Physician and David Newton to an Editorial by Peter D White titled ‘What causes chronic fatigue syndrome?’
http://www.bmj.com/content/329/7472/928/rapid-responses Both articles were published in 2004 and have been resurrected. I would be interested to know what instigated this resurrection.
The authors comment on a definition of a meme : ‘Dawkins used the term particularly in relation to religious beliefs and defined it as an idea or group of ideas which propagate between individuals and which share many of the characteristics of life, including the abilities of propagation and self defence, and the capacity to evolve.’
My response:
http://www.meassociation.org.uk/201...-to-consider-wider-implications-20-june-2014/
It would be appropriate for the authors to apologise for this harmful piece of speculation. It adds nothing to knowledge about CFS or ME. Rather, it promotes ignorance, to the detriment of patients with these conditions.
29 June 2014
Susanna Agardy
Retired
Nil
c/o PO Box 6156 Hawthorn West PO 3122 Australia
Rigorous reasoning is missing from ‘meme’ idea
The piece, Is Chronic Fatigue Syndrome a meme? is replete with errors of reasoning and interpretation in the claims made by Doctors Collings and Newton. The authors seem to accept their invention of ‘CFS’ as a meme as fact. This perspective then leads them to attribute perverse motives to people with CFS which justify their bias. Behaviours and attitudes of these patients which would be considered normal in other people are portrayed as irrational and pathological.
The authors claim that ‘It is generally accepted that membership of a CFS peer group is a predictor of poor outcome of treatment, and it has been argued that this may be due to negativity within the groups as to diagnosis, treatment and prognosis.’
They resort to the use of rhetorical devices like it is ‘generally accepted’ and ‘it has been argued’: ‘accepted’ and ‘argued’ by whom? Perhaps these terms are being used to disguise the fact that the conventional caution relating to statements about causality is being thrown to the wind here...
Read more: http://www.bmj.com/content/329/7472/928/rr/703896
I think I would be more inclined to compare it to "The Daily Sport" or "Viz" (smutty and teenage newspapers for those not in England.
sorry not understanding you Esther!Have they decided that any problem to do with this is all patients fault yet? When's that going to happen?
sorry not understanding you Esther!
Can't say I've waded through all nineteen pages of this, so I don't know if this is covered, but I can't help wonder what the authors expected to get out of this? Was it a kind of pledging allegiance to the the colours, but in such a way that they thought it would go under the radar, in the way that insulting stuff about ME never gets picked up on by the community or anything : )
Would that be a dig? Because I didn't take any pleasure from any of that, and I did apologize (which was accepted). I'm just a bit rusty at speaking to people. You might know how it is.The same perverse pleasure that trolls get when they provoke reactions on internet forums.![]()