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Cort:
I must respectfully disagree with you on Lipkin's interpretation of the measles research regarding children with autism and otherwise normally developing children with gastro-intestinal problems.
The measles virus should clear from the body relatively quickly after a vaccination. The fact that they persisted more than four years after vaccination in many children, like Michelle Cedillo, for example, is an indication that something has gone wrong in the body.
If you find the measles virus in autistic children with gastrointestinal problems, and normally developing children with gastro-intestinal problems, doesn't that indicate the measles might be a problem for children with gastro-intestinal problems? And many of the children with autism who were treated for a measles infection in their gastro-intestinal system had a lessening of symptoms and improvements in health and cognition. You don't even want to open the discussion of our children and their gastro-intestinal problems. (Lots of poop stories!)
I am hopeful for Lipkin's research, but I have heard two negative things about him. First, the interpretation he made of Wakefield's research could have gone either way and he chose to take the interpretation most supportive of the current medical system. Second, I've heard he likes to steal the work of other people and claim it as his own.
For the benefit of all our communities I hope these reports are in error, or that those researchers working with him have protected themselves.
All the best,
Kent Heckenlively
Contributing Editor, Age of Autism
"First, the interpretation he made of Wakefield's research could have gone either way and he chose to take the interpretation most supportive of the current medical system. Second, I've heard he likes to steal the work of other people and claim it as his own."
The same sentiment can be expressed as
"The evidence showed that the defendant may or may not be a witch and the judge chose to take the interpretation favored by liberals and socialists. I've heard that the judge himself reads everything printed about witchcraft and likes to present ideas of other people it in his own highly paid speeches. I do not need to offer any evidence nor provide any examples, because from his failure to convict the defendant (whom we all know is a witch) we know that the judge is a witch sympathizer or perhaps a closet witch."
I've learned nothing about Dr. Lipkin from your post, but when I hear spluttering rage and ad hominem attacks directed against someone involved in a rational pursuit it makes me think that the target is doing something right.
"Second, I've heard he likes to steal the work of other people and claim it as his own.
Kent Heckenlively
Contributing Editor, Age of Autism"
I've learned nothing about Dr. Lipkin from your post, but when I hear spluttering rage and ad hominem attacks directed against someone involved in a rational pursuit it makes me think that the target is doing something right.
Hi Kent, thank you for this detailed study information and for highlighting the areas of concern. I agree with the points you have raised and very much appreciate your informed comments in this forum.
It was probably inappropriate for me to mention the fellow member of our community who claims that Lipkin likes to steal work. I do not have verification for that, so I will say again I should not have mentioned it, and kept it to myself.
I agree. I am not jumping on the Lipkin love fest express so fast. I won't trust him until WPI issues a press release saying they fully support his activities. Until then I'll remain very skeptical of any government sanctioned Hollywood Virus Hunters. He has a lot more to lose by going against the wishes of CDC, FDA, NIAD, NIH, etc whatever they may be.
Oh, now look what you've gone and done. Just when we'd gotten the boys all calmed down from their last bout of Ila Singh worship ...now they've gone all starry-eyed and goofy again.
As the founding member of the Starry-Eyed and Goofy over Dr. Singh Fan Club I'd like to make the following statement. Our charter strictly calls for being starry-eyed and goofy at all times. Hey, I bump into walls anyway, I just have an excuse now - for bumping into walls, that is . As for being starry eyed and goofy, well, let's just say the CBT isn't working out.
I second Otis' clarification: just because we're not still writing about that subject does not mean we're any less starry-eyed and goofy. We're just being goofy in our own time.Oh, now look what you've gone and done. Just when we'd gotten the boys all calmed down from their last bout of Ila Singh worship ...now they've gone all starry-eyed and goofy again.
Re Mark at #14
Your post brings up a deeper issue: At a time when we know that 'authoritative' sources of information and individuals in the government possessing considerable power lie, and lie in ways that materially undermine our well-being how do we know whom to believe?
I don't think there is an easy answer. "Believe nothing" is equal to "believe everything"; neither approach evaluates for truth. Without at least some personal knowledge of a subject of interest it can be very hard to untangle truth, lies, and the ordinary fog of uncertainty where the truth is not known with surety by anyone.
Unfortunately this quite real and crippling disease has gotten a strange treatment from the main research driver on Earth - the US government.