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Anyone experience with rm-10/ medicinal mushrooms?

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I've found some kind of article about an article (weird sentence, i know) which says the following;

In summary of Dr. Rothschild's study on RM-10 [TM], all 70 product-treated or placebo-administered patients were confirmed as diagnosed with CFS. Physicians had rated them by their physical examination results, symptom scores, and various blood workups including test panels for T-cells, B-cells, natural killer cells, immunoglobulin G (IgG), red blood cells, and potassium. Among the mushroom-treated patients, 33 out of the starting 35 finished the four-month-long study. Two had dropped out for unrelated causes. There were 12 males and 21 females (totaling 33).

Of these 33 CFS-treated patients, eight ended the RM-10 [TM] test being totally asymptomatic (33 1/3%), fourteen participants (42%) improved in their symptomology by no less than 60%, and eight (almost 25%) declared themselves as being better by 40%. All of the patients who took RM-10 [TM] experienced some results and none worsened. Thus, there was good response among 100% of the treated patients. Among the placebo group, half of the people taking sugar pills had no results and the other half experienced a worsening of symptoms.
Every patient utilizing RM-10[TM] who completed the study showed improvement in energy levels.

They experienced a dramatic reduction in fatigue and muscle soreness as well as improved mental and emotional state. Nearly one-third of the participants no longer showed symptoms of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome by study's end.


site; http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_August-Sept/ai_90794449/

I couldn't find the original article by Rothschild anywhere.
rm-10 is a mixture of medicinal mushrooms and some other herbs.
rm-10 is for sale on iherb, read the reviews; there are people who claimed it helped them cure their cancer.

Anyone experience with this product? Dont really know what to think about it. Is it credible?:confused:
 
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Well, if the original paper doesn't exist, then the summary of it can't be trusted. It's impossible to look at the original data for the study, if it even existed, to evaluate of the study was at all reputable.

I'd put the magic mushroom and herb pills up there with the other incredulous miracle cures. Especially if it's claiming to miraculously cure completely unrelated diseases like cancer and ME.
 
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I'd put the magic mushroom and herb pills up there with the other incredulous miracle cures.

I wouldn't mind some hallucinogenic fun - I'm too ill for a real holiday! I'd probably have a go if I could convince myself it was a 'treatment'.
 
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Heh, you've got a point! I can probably get legal pot here for cheaper though :) I wonder if they have organic ...
 

svetoslav80

Senior Member
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Bulgaria
I've tried medicinal mushrooms (the ones that grow in Japan I think) and they didn't help. I think each of the substances which are in these mushrooms, are also found in our natural foods and herbs in Europe and America.
 

valentinelynx

Senior Member
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Location
Tucson
I've found some kind of article about an article (weird sentence, i know) which says the following;

...

I couldn't find the original article by Rothschild anywhere.
rm-10 is a mixture of medicinal mushrooms and some other herbs.
rm-10 is for sale on iherb, read the reviews; there are people who claimed it helped them cure their cancer.

Anyone experience with this product? Dont really know what to think about it. Is it credible?:confused:

Actually the article you read appears to be the only article reporting this study. It is published in the Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients. Here's the full reference:

Morton Walker "Clinically proven treatment for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome RM-10?: the newest breakthrough in immune system enhancement?Part 3 - Medical Journalist Report of Innovative Biologics". Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients. FindArticles.com. 27 Sep, 2011.

The Townsend Letter is a venue for reporting on alternative medicine. Dr. Rothschild appears to be an alternative medicine MD mainly who researches supplements, often ones that are proprietary. So, can't evaluate the credibility.

Oh, and here are the cited criteria for inclusion in the study as a "CFS" patient:

"The individuals chosen for participation in the study were between 25 and 60 years old, suffering from chronic exhaustion of more than six months' duration, showing an imbalanced immune system, and feeling recurrent random muscle soreness."

Not exactly standard criteria!

Thanks for pointing out this study. Maybe of some value.
 

rlc

Senior Member
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Hi all, here is a more detailed account of this study http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_August-Sept/ai_90794449/
Personally I think there may be something in this, and it might be worth people taking a deeper look at it. Numerous studies have found immune dysfunction in ME patients, such as NK cell, IgG, T cells etc, and various viruses have been found in ME patients, without a functioning immune system then it is not possible to get rid of these viruses, e.g one of the main roles of NK cells is to kill viruses.
These medicinal mushrooms have been extensively scientifically studied but unfortunately most of its done in china so gets ignored in the west, these studies have proved that they do have extensive positive benefits to the immune system such as normalising NK cell numbers see
Ganoderma lucidum (Reishi),
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22364151
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17466920
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20685267
They have also been shown to have anti viral properties see
Ganoderma lucidum (Reishi),
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9862140
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16786250
Grifola Frondosa (Maitake)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17475344
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16846649
sorry don’t have time to put up links to all the research done into the mushrooms found in RM-10 put a pubmed search using their botanical names will lead to vast amounts of interesting information on them.
Because this product contains 10 different kinds of mushrooms it’s going to have a very big effect on the immune system and have a lot of anti viral effect.
The scientific evidence shows that these mushrooms do dramatically boost the immune system and do have anti viral, as well as anti bacterial anti fungal anti cancer effects amongst a host of other beneficial actions.
The study that was done to test this product measured the state of the patient’s immune systems before and after, only patients with measurable immune dysfunction were accepted. The results showed a dramatic improvement and often complete normalisation of the immune function in these patients after the trial.
As ME patients have dysfunctional immune systems and often viral infections, and the scientific evidence says that these mushrooms fix immune systems and kill viruses; I don’t find it to surprising that RM-10 was so effective. So if anyone wants have a deeper look at the research behind this product it may be useful to some.
I can’t get hold of RM-10 where I live but I’m going to try a very similar product, and will let people know how it goes.
All the best

 

xks201

Senior Member
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With results like that it is worth a try. I am surprised Dr. Rothschild was still alive in 2002 when that was posted. He was a big proponent of soil based organisms.