anxiety, internet addiction and CFS

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I'd be very interested to hear about your yoga teaching. What style did you teach and what benefits did you are your students experience?

I did a teacher training program early in my illness, before I understood what was going on as a way to cope with pain. I did a bit of teaching, but then couldn't sustain that, energetically. (Still working now, but not full time and at a fairly sedentary job.) My physical yoga practice is mostly Restorative, sometimes yoga nidra, and tiny amounts of Soma (the style I trained in) as tolerated.

I did my 200 hour teacher training in Integrative Yoga Therapy, my 500 hour in Classical Ashtanga. Lived at a yoga center for a short time.

I’ve taught at neighborhood recreation centers, fitness centers,hospitals, yoga studios, senior centers and privately.
I loved teaching the senior citizens gentle Hatha style class. I had to give that up as my illness progressed.

When I have the energy now, I do some very gentle yin yoga, mostly supine asana on the floor or bed. I really like yoga nidra. Do you know Richard Miller’s book?

I like to listen to Adyashanti on you tube. Wonderful meditation teacher. Have been to his satsangs and retreat.
Also did a weekend intensive with Jon Kabat Zin and Saki Santorelli. Masters at what they do. Had the most amazing yoga class with them (pre illness.)

I find it hard to sit for meditation because of pain now, that is why I anchor my current practice on the breath as it really helps me center.
 

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I did my 200 hour teacher training in Integrative Yoga Therapy, my 500 hour in Classical Ashtanga. Lived at a yoga center for a short time.

I’ve taught at neighborhood recreation centers, fitness centers,hospitals, yoga studios, senior centers and privately.
I loved teaching the senior citizens gentle Hatha style class. I had to give that up as my illness progressed.

When I have the energy now, I do some very gentle yin yoga, mostly supine asana on the floor or bed. I really like yoga nidra. Do you know Richard Miller’s book?

I haven't read Richard Miller's book, but I think I need to. I like his yoga nidra videos on youtube. They're one of my go to for relaxation. I did a 200 hour training in Soma, and he was spoken highly of there. I also did a training for an intro to Trauma Sensitive Yoga. That was fascinating and I hope I have the strength (physical and emotional) to do more of that. I did a little teaching of a generic gentle yoga at my local Y, but then, like you, got too tired.

Meeting Jo Kabat Zinn and Saki Santorelli must have been amazing! I've read stuff by both of them and was very impressed.
Do you find your CFS to be progressive?
 

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Argh- I messed up the quotation thing. Sorry!
No worries! :) Did you know that you can reply to someone's post in basically 3 ways (one of which you may have been trying to do here ;))

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Hi everyone,

I had an internet and video game addiction in my younger days which was a way for me to cope with my anxiety/OCD but as i grew up and entered adulthood i adopted a very spartan and regimented lifestyle that didnt allow for time wasting or any idle time. I used to make daily schedules and go to work and then i would go to gym and then i would come home and meditate and read and fall sleep. And then this CFS curse hit me.

Now, I cant exercise, i cant work, i cant read. So all the tools that helped me focus my energy are gone. What i have now is countless hours that i can not really spend productively (or at least the way i have traditionally defined as "productive"). Instead i just lay in bed mindlessly browsing reddit and watch Family Guy youtube clips all day.

I am not worried that this is getting in my way of school or work because i dont have those anymore. But i think its getting in my way of recovery. I think this type of internet wandering can be very detrimental to recovery and doesn't allow one to rest deeply.

But the alternative is almost maddening. When i try to just lay in bed and close my eyes and listen to soothing music i get very anxious and my OCD just rushes back.

I guess my question is, how can i allow myself to rest when i feel like im losing my mind due to anxiety? and how do i stop the vicious internet addiction cycle?
I have a very similar problem. Part of the issue is I do use computers/internet for some legitimate things, like researching treatments and documenting them. But I also just check my phone and look at twitter reflexively. My main problem is that I want a device like an ipod to just listen to music offline and audiobooks as that is very relaxing, but the ipods I have are very old and don't work well, so all I have to do this is my phone, which means that i'll inevitably look at the screen while I'm listening.

I don't think that resting is necessarily curative but I do think it could contribute to my recovery, especially done really well and actively. It's important.

I don't have much to add in terms of advice since I have such a problem with this. One thing that helped me on my mac was an app called self-control that blocks any site you put in for a while and it's very tough to get around once you do it. You can also jerry rig it with some code thing to set it for as long as you want (like months, years, etc) But now that my macbook is broken there's no windows equivalent or anything like that for phone
 

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Also to hijack this thread real quick--anybody have recommendations for mp3 players that are cheap but decent/won't just break right away??
 

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Don't know if you are too overloaded to take in more or if someone has already said this:

For gaming, I have consciously tried to switch to games that lend themselves to be played for short periods of time with clear chapter breaks that make a satisfying achievement and then give you something nice to think about while you're resting. Point and click adventures and puzzles with no time limit and beautiful music are my favorites. I'm steering away from games of the 'just one more day' variety where there are open-ended tasks, endless resource gathering and stat grinding, where it takes 50 hours just to get anywhere.

This way I can play for half an hour or so, then lie down and rest for a bit, then decide a while later to play a bit more or not. The games themselves become a type of meditation and take my mind off the other stuff.

I also find youtube seems to lend to mindless hours of watching more than netflix. Youtube videos are so short that you want to keep watching another. If you watch something on netflix you can make the effort to shut off the computer for a while between episodes.

The ideal time frame for the games and shows seems to be 20 to 40 minutes, for me anyway. Less than that and it leaves you open to watching more stuff, more than that and it starts to take too much of your brain's energy.
 

Howard

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Hi everyone,

I had an internet and video game addiction in my younger days which was a way for me to cope with my anxiety/OCD but as i grew up and entered adulthood i adopted a very spartan and regimented lifestyle that didnt allow for time wasting or any idle time. I used to make daily schedules and go to work and then i would go to gym and then i would come home and meditate and read and fall sleep. And then this CFS curse hit me.

Now, I cant exercise, i cant work, i cant read. So all the tools that helped me focus my energy are gone. What i have now is countless hours that i can not really spend productively (or at least the way i have traditionally defined as "productive"). Instead i just lay in bed mindlessly browsing reddit and watch Family Guy youtube clips all day.

I am not worried that this is getting in my way of school or work because i dont have those anymore. But i think its getting in my way of recovery. I think this type of internet wandering can be very detrimental to recovery and doesn't allow one to rest deeply.

But the alternative is almost maddening. When i try to just lay in bed and close my eyes and listen to soothing music i get very anxious and my OCD just rushes back.

I guess my question is, how can i allow myself to rest when i feel like im losing my mind due to anxiety? and how do i stop the vicious internet addiction cycle?

First off, I am making the assumption that you are in a similar place as I am, or that others reading this can similarly relate. Of course, I'm only providing this information based on where I am right now.

And right now I am also having difficulties, in regards to my meditation practice.

Intellectually, I recognize the root of the problem, but here I find myself despite having this “knowledge.”

Remaining true to my meditation program is one of the most difficult obstacles I face each and every day. That may seem like a silly thing to state, considering the fact I've been bedridden for the past three years, while also having many other physical issues just like everybody else here. But when I take the time to meditate I am often rewarded both long and short term.

The thing is, I have to trick myself into being disciplined, to follow through, to do the necessary work.

I constantly battle the urge to do research. I ALWAYS need to do more research. The subject matter doesn't matter so much, “I need to understand everything” … my brain tells me, as part of a lifelong habit.

Everything I see, touch, hear, or feel is a potential problem waiting to be fixed / rearranged / improved / disproved / deconstructed etc.

I'm an obsessive compulsive thinker… which seemingly, was a good thing before I became ill.

“Knowledge is nothing,” I keep reminding myself. Experience is everything...!??

I don't play video games, but despite my newfound discipline, I do venture down the internet rabbit hole more often than I should.

What I do is employ several tricks to get out of this rut, so that I may stop acquiring useless information, while curbing my obsession. It's vital to my physical and mental energy and processing abilities, as well as my sanity.

Example:
For the past couple years I've been setting alarms on my phone at various intervals throughout the day. Each time the alarm goes off it puts me in a present state, if only for brief moments.

“What's that noise? Where am I? What is the message instructing me to do? Meditate…”

Now, if I'm following my own master plan I meditate for three minutes immediately after silencing the alarm.

Right now, it's not working. I'm finding excuses to bypass my practice. As a result, my head is cluttered with excess and I'm feeling generalized anxiety from time to time.

So, the thing I need to do, the only thing, is invest a few moments in my practice each hour.

The question is, how badly do I want it?

I shall persist, and I will get past this temporary barrier. Whatever is happening right now is merely something I need to go through at this moment. It's an opportunity to learn and an opportunity for self-discovery.

Typically, the kind of day I'm having is often based on the following three groupings, from best to worst case scenario:

Ideal - Meditate first thing in the morning, meditate throughout the day, brief intervals, have internet and media vacations throughout the day (total media exposure less than four hours in a 24-hour period).
Allow emotions to express, meaning occasional tears of joy or sadness. Acknowledging my human form through stretching and subtle movements. Occasionally engaging other humans in some type of social interaction, ideally less than 30 minutes in duration: texting, chatting, brief phone call or most often, simple observation (either watching the downstairs neighbors rummaging through items in their garage, or tracking pigeons outside my balcony).

Not ideal, but not too taxing either - Being lost in thought, fantasies about future recovery, reworking the past utilizing “what if” scenarios etcetera. Watching a few shows here and there, one hour in duration maximum. Taking an hour or so going through medical literature, researching. Mentally or physically (on tablet) organizing, making lists, categorizing or sorting my thoughts, papers, music collection, music compositions...

Less than ideal: Waking up in the morning and immediately launching into the next internet search, seeking out answers to questions or finding problems that don't yet exist. Watching a feature-length film from start to finish, or watching two shows consecutively. Failing to acknowledge my human form by neglecting movement or self touch. Not acknowledging my presence for hours at a time.

One year ago, quiet time was necessarily five or six hours per day and communicating with humankind was very difficult.

Two years ago, most of my day consisted of wearing noise blocking earmuffs, total darkness, and no stimuli whatsoever in order to deal with the overwhelming mental, physical, and emotional pain.

And here I am now, finally having the ability to process thoughts again, sort through abstract ideas, and even communicate via forums like these … but achieving a balance has proven to be extremely difficult. And it seems to me, it's always about balance each and every day. Not pushing too hard, but not giving-in either.

When I am attempting to escape my physical self by obsessing over daily trivia, it eventually catches up with me and both my mental and physical condition worsen.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, I appreciate having the opportunity to share.
H


*I apologize for the length, everything I write seems to turn into an essay.
 
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