parvofighter
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Devil's Advocate
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here.
I do wonder whether the FDA rejection was in fact necessary, in fact essential in light of the recent XMRV findings. Keep in mind that determination of "Efficacy of Ampligen for treatment of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" pre-October 8th 09 was done very differently, and with very different metrics from what one might use now, with the possibility of the potentially profound XMRV/XAND/ME/CFS link.
And consider what many virologists have noted: if you provide therapeutics to patients with ME/CFS and find a reduction/elimination of the XMRV virus and its effects, then that is reverse (but compelling) evidence that the virus does in fact "cause" ME/CFS. The old Ampligen clinical studies didn't do that. And causality is the million-dollar question that we're dying to have answered. The "old" clinical studies of Ampligen in other words - by their unavoidable past exclusion of XMRV metrics to measure efficacy - would not have been as powerful as a repeat clinical study including XMRV pre/post metrics. So this FDA rejection might turn out to be a good thing for ME/CFS patients, and even for an Ampligen manufacturer.
I'm not trying to be a Pollyanna here - and no, I'm not affiliated in any way with Hemispherx - but I can't help thinking that this FDA rejection might turn out to be good for the ME/CFS community. IF whoever owns the Ampligen patent (and that may or not end up to be Hemispherx) moves quickly to directly and credibly measure the effect of Ampligen on Canadian-criteria patients with ME/CFS. Yes, other ME/CFS subgroups, fibromyalgia, MS, prostate ca, might conceivably be included. But if I'm not mistaken what rigorous scientists are waiting for - before they get really excited about XMRV/ME/CFS - are clinical studies that closely match the criteria used by the Science researchers. So a re-do of clinical studies for Ampligen might help get rid of the ambiguity inherent in a fuzzy definition of ME/CFS patients. Get rid of that noise, eh?
Given what we are learning about XMRV and its link with ME/CFS, a rigorous, credible, and relevant evaluation of any therapeutic's efficacy for patients with ME/CFS diagnosed by Canadian Diagnostic Criteria would HAVE to include measurement of the drug's effect on specific tests for XMRV. Unless of course XMRV proves to have nothing to do with ME/CFS - tho I highly doubt that.
I don't dispute Hemispherx's dismal history - nor disturbing reports of safety considerations. So the safety studies should not be dismissed as trivial. However I suspect I'm not alone in remaining keenly interested in the progress of any and all evidence-based research on therapeutics for those of us stuck in the maw of ME/CFS. Particularly clinical studies that directly measure any therapeutic intervention's effect on XMRV titres, byproducts (eg. proteins), and of course clinical symptoms (eg. a la Canadian ME/CFS criteria).
FYI you can hear - from the horse's mouth - about Hemispherx's proposed plans (assuming they stay solvent) in a podcast tomorrow (Thursday).
From: http://www.hemispherx.net/content/investor/default.asp?goto=659
Hemispherx Biopharma Announces Investor Conference Call
Philadelphia, PA, Wednesday, December 02, 2009: Hemispherx Biopharma, Inc. (NYSE Amex: HEB) announces an investor update by teleconference on Thursday, December 3, 2009 at 10:00am EST. The update will cover regulatory status of its platform technology (Ampligen, Alferon-N, Alferon LDO), strategic partnering and other matters, followed by a Q and A period.
To access the conference call:
U.S. Callers: 800-348-5860
International Callers: 973-528-0008
Conference Entry Code: 27781
This call will be webcast via the Companys website at: http://www.hemispherx.net.
A digital replay of the call will be available until December 18th by calling:
U.S. Callers: 800-332-6854
International Callers: 973-528-0005
Conference Entry Code: 27781
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here.
I do wonder whether the FDA rejection was in fact necessary, in fact essential in light of the recent XMRV findings. Keep in mind that determination of "Efficacy of Ampligen for treatment of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" pre-October 8th 09 was done very differently, and with very different metrics from what one might use now, with the possibility of the potentially profound XMRV/XAND/ME/CFS link.
And consider what many virologists have noted: if you provide therapeutics to patients with ME/CFS and find a reduction/elimination of the XMRV virus and its effects, then that is reverse (but compelling) evidence that the virus does in fact "cause" ME/CFS. The old Ampligen clinical studies didn't do that. And causality is the million-dollar question that we're dying to have answered. The "old" clinical studies of Ampligen in other words - by their unavoidable past exclusion of XMRV metrics to measure efficacy - would not have been as powerful as a repeat clinical study including XMRV pre/post metrics. So this FDA rejection might turn out to be a good thing for ME/CFS patients, and even for an Ampligen manufacturer.
I'm not trying to be a Pollyanna here - and no, I'm not affiliated in any way with Hemispherx - but I can't help thinking that this FDA rejection might turn out to be good for the ME/CFS community. IF whoever owns the Ampligen patent (and that may or not end up to be Hemispherx) moves quickly to directly and credibly measure the effect of Ampligen on Canadian-criteria patients with ME/CFS. Yes, other ME/CFS subgroups, fibromyalgia, MS, prostate ca, might conceivably be included. But if I'm not mistaken what rigorous scientists are waiting for - before they get really excited about XMRV/ME/CFS - are clinical studies that closely match the criteria used by the Science researchers. So a re-do of clinical studies for Ampligen might help get rid of the ambiguity inherent in a fuzzy definition of ME/CFS patients. Get rid of that noise, eh?
Given what we are learning about XMRV and its link with ME/CFS, a rigorous, credible, and relevant evaluation of any therapeutic's efficacy for patients with ME/CFS diagnosed by Canadian Diagnostic Criteria would HAVE to include measurement of the drug's effect on specific tests for XMRV. Unless of course XMRV proves to have nothing to do with ME/CFS - tho I highly doubt that.
I don't dispute Hemispherx's dismal history - nor disturbing reports of safety considerations. So the safety studies should not be dismissed as trivial. However I suspect I'm not alone in remaining keenly interested in the progress of any and all evidence-based research on therapeutics for those of us stuck in the maw of ME/CFS. Particularly clinical studies that directly measure any therapeutic intervention's effect on XMRV titres, byproducts (eg. proteins), and of course clinical symptoms (eg. a la Canadian ME/CFS criteria).
FYI you can hear - from the horse's mouth - about Hemispherx's proposed plans (assuming they stay solvent) in a podcast tomorrow (Thursday).
From: http://www.hemispherx.net/content/investor/default.asp?goto=659
Hemispherx Biopharma Announces Investor Conference Call
Philadelphia, PA, Wednesday, December 02, 2009: Hemispherx Biopharma, Inc. (NYSE Amex: HEB) announces an investor update by teleconference on Thursday, December 3, 2009 at 10:00am EST. The update will cover regulatory status of its platform technology (Ampligen, Alferon-N, Alferon LDO), strategic partnering and other matters, followed by a Q and A period.
To access the conference call:
U.S. Callers: 800-348-5860
International Callers: 973-528-0008
Conference Entry Code: 27781
This call will be webcast via the Companys website at: http://www.hemispherx.net.
A digital replay of the call will be available until December 18th by calling:
U.S. Callers: 800-332-6854
International Callers: 973-528-0005
Conference Entry Code: 27781