Adverse effects from potassium
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When I started the methylation protocol I had improved, then I got worse without losing the improvement, then I took potassium and now I am back at square one. I took very little, but it was enough to cause a folate trap that I don't know how to get out of.
Has it a reason, you didn't answer which kind of potassium, and how much you took? - Very little is very relative: could be a few milligrams or a gram for another.
Has it a reason, you didn't answer which symptoms improved, and which worsened?
The general answer here is; start low and increase slow. You started low, but did you slowly increase the potassium? Or did you try other forms of potassium? Which might be better tolerated for example in dietary form.
Has it a reason, you didn't answer which symptoms improved, and which worsened?
The general answer here is; start low and increase slow. You started low, but did you slowly increase the potassium? Or did you try other forms of potassium? Which might be better tolerated for example in dietary form.
I have already said that the progress I had made has completely vanished, meaning all the symptoms have worsened. Since taking potassium I no longer tolerate natural sources of it.
Take citrate, just a few crumbs, opening the capsule. I already follow the go slow method. What I'm trying to figure out is what could have altered the potassium I've been taking.
Which symptoms?
Potassium is in many foods. Which foods with high potassium you tried, and couldn't tolerate?
You said you took a few crumbs. The go slow method means, to increase a such low dose slow. You didn't say that you tried to increase it very slow? - Or you did, and just omitted, in which way?
Are you a non-native English speaker? I try to help by asking questions for more details, and possibly involved factors. But till now only a small fraction of my questions was answered. Language difficulties could explain misunderstandings.
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My symptoms are neurological.
Tomato juice, coconut water, banana. It was the first time I took potassium.
Open the capsule and take an amount less than a lentil in size.
All of them?
From your first answer, I assume your intolerance manifested in neurological symptoms too? - All of them, or only a few?
So you increased from crumbs to almost a lentil in size? - In this case without any effect, but the worsened neurological symptoms remaining?
My neurological symptoms are: neuropathic pain, tingling, shooting, migraine, difficulty walking, weakness in one arm, lack of memory, psycological.
When starting the methylation protocol, I improved a lot, in all the symptoms, some disappeared (neuropathic pain, difficulty walking, arm weakness). After a few days it got worse (migraine) and for the first time in my life, I took potassium: I opened a citrate capsule and following the go-slow method, I poured a small amount into my hand.
The amount I took was less than the size of a lentil. From here on, all the symptoms that had disappeared have returned and those that had not disappeared have increased. That is to say: I am at the beginning of starting the methylation protocol. The problem: potassium has generated such an imbalance in my body that what once didn't help (methylation protocol) no longer has an effect.
Which amounts of individual B vitamins you took for the protocol helping?
You talked first about crumbs - which in my estimation of LDN crumbs is about 1-2 millimeter in diameter, then you talk about the size less a lentil, which already is about 5 mm. So I assumed you increased from crumbs 1-2mm to 3-4 mm. But with this new answer, it seems you don't differentiate that fine-grained, and didn't increase the potassium (slowly) at all?
I assume you meant what once helped, no longer has an effect.
All nutrients are in co-dependent metabolic actions. If one nutrient intake is increased, like the B9 and B12, it raises the need for other nutrients to get properly metabolized. Like for example potassium. Which might help a short while, but such a low dose you took might not be able to maintain a more efficient nutrients' utilization.
Therefore, the need to increase gradually and very slowly the dose. In a form of potassium tolerated.
The methylation protocol first helped, because at that initial time there might have be enough unused potassium in body stores. Which then were used up, and without replenishing potassium first again, it might not work anymore.
You talked first about crumbs - which in my estimation of LDN crumbs is about 1-2 millimeter in diameter, then you talk about the size less a lentil, which already is about 5 mm. So I assumed you increased from crumbs 1-2mm to 3-4 mm. But with this new answer, it seems you don't differentiate that fine-grained, and didn't increase the potassium (slowly) at all?
I assume you meant what once helped, no longer has an effect.
All nutrients are in co-dependent metabolic actions. If one nutrient intake is increased, like the B9 and B12, it raises the need for other nutrients to get properly metabolized. Like for example potassium. Which might help a short while, but such a low dose you took might not be able to maintain a more efficient nutrients' utilization.
Therefore, the need to increase gradually and very slowly the dose. In a form of potassium tolerated.
The methylation protocol first helped, because at that initial time there might have be enough unused potassium in body stores. Which then were used up, and without replenishing potassium first again, it might not work anymore.
Take potassium in the directed amount only once.
The amounts I took are 400mcg (b9) and 200mcg (b12). Small amount of a multivitaminin (thorne)
The problem is not a lack of potassium. Potassium is the cause of the problem.
Potassium comes in powder form. You mean that you should have taken a particle, the size of a grain of sand, and from there increased it to two particles of sand?
As I said: I opened a capsule and placed a small amount in my hand. The amount was minimal, smaller than a lentil. I have only taken potassium once.
As I said: I opened a capsule and placed a small amount in my hand. The amount was minimal, smaller than a lentil. I have only taken potassium once.
An essential nutrient important for health and surviving - with an adequate intake of about 2600 mg/d for females and 3400 mg/d for males - is the problem to make B9 and B12 functioning in deficiency only. Please inform yourself thoroughly: https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/minerals/potassium - for not mistaking this essential nutrient with any odd non-essential medication.
I'm here at my wits end to make you understand the essentiality of certain nutrients, working in concert with all other essential nutrients only, to make the body healthy again. And am therefore now bowing out of this thread. Unless we agree about the essentiality to get potassium in adequate amounts from foods again.
The meaning of 'start low and increase slow', is the opposite of taking a crumb once only.
In means taking a crumb dose daily (about 4-5 mg), increase to a few crumbs in a week, even more in a few months (still daily), until you reach an adequate intake for making all metabolic necessary processes possible, at maybe about 3 g daily in a few years. But that might be highly individual, a gram more or less, due to biochemical individuality.
Here are some other options for increasing dietary potassium intake:
Wishing you good luck!
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How am I going to increase the consumption of something that makes me feel bad?An essential nutrient important for health and surviving - with an adequate intake of about 2600 mg/d for females and 3400 mg/d for males - is the problem to make B9 and B12 functioning in deficiency only. Please inform yourself thoroughly: https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/minerals/potassium - for not mistaking this essential nutrient with any odd non-essential medication.
I'm here at my wits end to make you understand the essentially of certain nutrients, working in concert with all other essential nutrients only, to make the body healthy again. And am therefore now bowing out of this thread. Unless we agree about the essentiality to get potassium in adequate amounts from foods again.
The meaning of 'start low and increase slow', is the opposite of taking a crumb once only. In means taking a crumb dose daily (about 4-5 mg), increase to a few crumbs in a week, even more in a few months (still daily), until you reach an adequate intake for making all metabolic necessary processes possible, at maybe about 3 g daily. But that might be highly individual, a gram more or less due to biochemical individuality.
Here are some other options for increasing dietary potassium intake:
Wishing you good luck!
There are essential nutrients other than potassium. Some of them have been affected by the microdose of potassium that I took.
It's clear you don't know what you're talking about. You are recommending that I increase my consumption of something that is harmful to me. Anyway...
You felt bad by the crumbs of the contents of a capsule. The cause could just as well be an allergic reaction or intolerance with some of the additives or filler of the capsules, not the potassium citrate. Or the citrate portion only. Or simply a bad day.
Same with some dietary sources of potassium. It might not be the potassium, but other phytonutrients or additives.
There are other forms of supplemental or sources of dietary potassium still to try. And to avoid severer harm from potassium deficiency.
There are no other essential nutrients which replace potassium itself. And those others are affected by potassium increasing their utilization, I already wrote in my first post, and repeatedly again.
Read the link I posted about potassium very thoroughly.
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The potassium I take does not have any additives. An adverse reaction to an additive does not block the methylation cycle. An imbalance caused by the potassium I took, yes.
There are more essential nutrients that are affected by increased metabolic function: magnesium, phosphorus, sodium, thiamine...
Just because you have solved your problems by taking potassium does not mean that it is harmless or that everyone has the same consumption needs.
It has made me feel bad, it has wiped out all the progress I had made, despite taking a tiny dose and that is the content of this thread.
I solved three non-reversible chronic conditions not with potassium, but all essential and conditionally essential nutrients in the right proportions. Some by avoiding them, since too much already got from dietary sources. And that was only part of much more encompassing life-style changes. Most effort of it was learning all about nutrients, metabolic processes involved, and learning to verify scientific studies (approx. 10000 hours of learning over the years). All by titrating 'start low and go slow', while monitoring progress with extensive laboratory marker. Still took me 3, 7 and 10 years for the respective remissions.
There is no supplement capsule with no additives. Citrate in potassium-citrate is one, some react bad to. Inform yourself.
Try to approach it logical. An average 70kg human body contains about 120 g of potassium (the 8th or 9th most frequent). Daily loss is different for males at about 2,4 g, 1,9 g for females daily. If not for a substantial part replaced by diet, death is certain.
Now allegedly about 5-10 mg only threw your potassium homeostasis out of balance? - So very unlikely, since you're certainly still alive, by getting potassium from diet in at least a gram range. Enter your daily food intake of an average day into a nutrient software like cronometer, to see the larger amount of potassium you get from food yourself.
More likely: a bad day, where 5-10 mg of potassium simply made no difference. Or allergic reaction to citrate, fillers or other undeclared additives. Phytonutrients or additives in certain dietary potassium. Or anything else unaccounted for.
If I'm saying that potassium has destroyed me, stop recommending that I take potassium.
The theme of this thread is that potassium has harmed me, not that I have a potassium deficiency (it is at optimal levels is my analysis)