A Nickel Effect

[percyval577]

I am talking about very small amounts of nickel, with a possibly huge effect. This effect might depend on other circumstances (my typical ones: low manganese, avoiding sugar, fat only one time a day).

CARE: A couple of times nickel has been shown to be mutagenic (for some reason). Therefore nickel is well known to promote cancer. it is not a good idea to inhale nickel, eg as worker, or in tabaco smoke. Coins consist typically to 25% of nickel. Nickel is a compounent of stainless steel.

IT MIGHT BE NOT SAVE?
my experiences: I had put a dutch gulden for 5 seconds into 2 cl boiled water. [edit: the sudden expansion of the metal might help to leach atoms.] it must have been pure nickel, it did not work with a combination found in most other coins.
From this water with the dutch coin I took a knife point and stipped it into a drink. I might not more often do it than three times a day - a typical metalfeeling would pop up inside, or another strange grumbeling feeling. Also a feeling on the skin can appear.
IT MIGHT BE NOT SAVE?

INSTEAD
It should be possible to drink from cups made out of stainless steel ... some of the nickel atoms from the stainless steel would enter the brain, I found this somewhere via google, but havn´t tested it.

the possibly HUGE effect: It makes me focused (just rediscovered it). It supports the ability to concentrate. I beginn to look deep into the space in front of me. It calms down.
It seems to me that it connects the different brain regions to each other, possibly via thalamus. It might be a help to reverse the bad effects of antipsychotics (which I very stupidly took to 0.7mg a single time, it´s crime). It seems to me that it would hinder some effects that are typically associated with aging, like shaking and bad memory, an unstable voice.

Nickel increases Acetylcholine. This effect I can feel as a worsening compounent under circumstances I have desribed here, but it can be as well not too bad and part of the right structure.

It might be a bad idea to take it when getting worse, but it might be a good idea to take it when on a good track. (my experiences).

Nickel increases the level of DOPAMINE (18%) and tryptophan, but not 5-HT and norepinephrene.

My impression is that nickel works in the thalamus, and the connection along the back-fore-direction would be stabilized (this is only my personal impression), resulting in a comparable stabilazed cortex as well (which projects back to the thalamus).
Therefore the dopamine in the thalamus should be the tool.


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Girja S. Shukla, Satya V. Chandra, 1979: "Effect of nickel on aromatic amino acids and biogenic amines in brain of guinea pigs."
Sanchez-Gonzales et al. 2005: "The primate Thalamus Is a Key Target for Brain Dopamine."
Additional: Rovó Zita 2014: "Excitation and inhibition in the thalamus."
Viktor Plattner, 2016: "Inhibitory Control and Integration in the Thalamus."

 

[percyval577]

I have the post above edited to emphazise that I needed the amount to be very very tiny,

otherwise the effect does not take place, instead I get even more brain fogged (acetylcholine, obviously in my case).


There are dangerous effects known, but I have also read that nickel intake would be harmless(?).
Stainless steel dishes might be a solution.

 

[Wishful]

Pure nickel is insoluble in water. Dipping pure nickel in water for a few seconds should transfer about zero nickel atoms. Nickel can leach from stainless steel, but that requires organic acids and fairly long periods, such as cooking for several hours. You might want to consider other explanations for your observed effects. If you think it's the nickel, try to arrange a double-blind test to check.

 

[percyval577]

Reasonable.
It´s an old coin that has been lying for a long time, maybe there might be an explanation? Or fat?
If I take too much of the water there is a metallic taste in the mouth and a metallic feel in the throat. There can also be some not so good effects appearing on the skin (so, realy restricting it to three very very litttle drops a day, if at all).
Or do I have too much phanatasy (I might do btw).

I ever wondered if a second brew would be as well "rewarded" (to some extent). I used so far the half of it, somhow wasteful. first I began to drink the whole cup but stopped after a couple of swallows, some "dark" feeling appeard in the throat. Only then I came up with the knife point.

Sometimes in good moments the effect was/is? pretty crafting, I can concentrate almost normal, for some time ... Also chocolate ca be somehow comparable nice, which contains nickel if i am not wrong. But I wonder if there would be a long term effect, which I cannot say anything of. Maybe it depends on accidence, building up thalamus connections.

Today (I am slowly improving since long time) I had a walk and came along some open air techno music and danced the first time since long, and for about 20 minutes. I could do it with ease again ... not like cement, you might know. It feels like the thalamus was connected to iteself, and it would be its dopamine, this coin involved. I could spring and wipp well enough (has stopped now).

The double blind test then. I use to be a chaot now, and its rather a miracle that I figure out anything at all. Mostly I begin with chaos and then afterwards I need to divide the influences by new trials. Well, i will try to do so. But it may become inorganic and I will miss its evaluation, in this single-science-sense-lab.

 

[Wishful]

I don't know. A nickel coin shouldn't release significant amounts of nickel into pure water. Maybe a slight amount from reacting with skin acids, if you didn't wash the coin first. A mystery. A double-blind test should show whether it's a real effect or just placebo, which can be quite powerful.

 

[percyval577]

No, I didn´t wash it: If nothing would have appeared I could have done it later anyway. But you might have the right idea, and it would be needed to hold the metall for some time in a hand. [edit: I thought that the sudden expansion would help to move atoms from the coin.]

In April it tended to behave in different circumstances different. The best sequence turned out to be: Countering NO, then an Anticholinergic, then nickel. Now when I first did it again, it was indeed powerful.

In my opinion it would be worth to evaluate that. (Being my own doctor here I can´t do the test.)

 

[percyval577]

Pure nickel is insoluble in water. Dipping pure nickel in water for a few seconds should transfer about zero nickel atoms. Nickel can leach from stainless steel, but that requires organic acids and fairly long periods, such as cooking for several hours. You might want to consider other explanations for your observed effects. If you think it's the nickel, try to arrange a double-blind test to check.

No, I very strongly guess you are wrong.

After more than a year I reinroduced it, but had meanwhile cast away the water (it didn´t worke progredient, maybe due to small amounts).

I made it again, and the effet was much to "mighty", even though I put a drop into another 02.cl, and again into another 0.2cl water, and only from this a drop into a drink. - I did so last year also quie soon.

Now I then used non-boiling water, guessing like an idiot not much would leach, and using this water directly- a big mistake.


Note also that with this method nobody has control over which ions are developing. Therefore, I would use only supplements.

Last year I have been in a pup and had a Guiness. Being at home, I drank a Guiness from a can - there is metal in the beverage!!!!!


Last year I also tested other metals like so, including aluminium (with a nice effect). After mixing up the different waters, it had gone accompaigned by a rather strange effect.
I probabaly will never use aluminium forks and dishes again, despite I think that alu is essential (not be shown already).

Don´t use this method, I really would say.

 

[Wishful]

I made it again, and the effet was much to "mighty", even though I put a drop into another 02.cl, and again into another 0.2cl water, and only from this a drop into a drink. - I did so last year also quie soon.

I did say 'double blind study' for a reason. If you know what you're mixing, and are expecting an effect, the placebo effect may produce the results you expected. If you really want to test your sensitivity to 'water that has been in contact with nickel (or other metals)', get someone else to help you do a proper double blind study, where you don't know whether the water you're swallowing has been in contact with nickel or not.

Also, consider how much contact municipal water has had with various metals in its route to your tap. There's probably lots of stainless steel (nickel alloy) in the processing equipment, lots of copper and zinc (brass). Even 'iron' pipes are likely to contain significant amounts of most metals used in steel alloys, since there's so much remelted scrap used. However, the reason stainless steel is used for water handling equipment is that it doesn't dissolve into the water significantly.

Also: 'Foodstuffs naturally contain small amounts of nickel. Chocolate and fats are known to contain severely high quantities. Nickel uptake will boost when people eat large quantities of vegetables from polluted soils. Plants are known to accumulate nickel and as a result the nickel uptake from vegetables will be eminent.'

Did you notice strong 'nickel effects' from tapwater and various nickel-rich foods that you weren't aware were nickel-rich? Expectations can change your perceptions, thus the need for proper double blind testing.

 

[percyval577]

Did you notice strong 'nickel effects' from tapwater and various nickel-rich foods that you weren't aware were nickel-rich? Expectations can change your perceptions, thus the need for proper double blind testing.

I noticed the following effects from these metals:

• Nickel - an clearing/focusing effect, later a turning around the verticala axis (like having drubnken too much alcohol, or smoked too much pot), rather a very relaxing and bright effect.
• Chromium - a concentration effect, as if it where taking place in the nucleus caudatus.

These both especially one time when having put them in beer (I ended up in drinkind the huge amount of 4 l).

• Zinc - a looking effect as when looking friendly into somebodies eyes with a spiral in the foreward direction. I actually don´t know if I already knew if Zinc is in the Thalamus in a special manner distributed (see here), which could explain this effect as a placebo.
• Aluminium - a shooting outside effect, like in this movie where blades can come out of the fingers, very interesting.

It all could be a placebo as I had little halucinations when I was bad (once a day telephone ringing or clock ringing). This year I had tooth problems, one tooth died, and when I made a mistake in my nutrition and ate a salat which obviously contained manganese, I got horrible pain, really horrible, the pain stopped when puttinig a tooth brush in the mouth, and came back 40 seconds after having put it out. No surprice, the tooth had an infection and was later almost dead. (Later I got from a similar mistake trigenimus pain, also pretty intense, but no influence, I guess).


The clue of my success this year is to take the stuff (e.g. metals) not together, theory being that some stuff, e.g. metals, altogether tend to work in that manner the brain is already in (which would be a muddle).

So instead emphasizing one direction after another, so: little effect from nutritions.
Chocolate has potentially a small effect, comparable to that of lemon juice, interestingly, but is more limited.
(Chocolate contains a lot of metals including all of the above ones, Citrate is a general chelator.)


I cannot prove that it´s not a placebo - maybe it is!

We may see in future research if Nickel is high in an asymmetric structure (maybe in the caudatus where is something asymmetric, i will try to find when being at home), inducing a turning around, or if chromium is high in the striatum or pallidus where it would induce a foreward-round movement. Or if there will turn out an aluminun distribution or so which could go along this straight effect that appeared.

If so, I would be able to say, it´s not a placebo effect.

So far I have an astonishing improvement since begin of the year, starting with some VitB´s not taking them together. And from chelating of metals, surrounded sipwise by VitC-(citrate)-Acetate.

 

[percyval577]

With the B´s it´s that they helepd physiologic symptoms:
After a mistreatment I had blood in my nose during two warm seasons, it it´s B2 that helped.
B1 seems to help for slitting skin at the fingernails.
B7 and B1 helped the gum which got weak with pus from the underground.
When I first got better in 2008/9 my gum got bad, I guess some very B´s were used up in the brain (maybe muddlingly elevated).

Admittedly this doesn´say that the B´s are helpful here only in a sequence.

 

[Wishful]

noticed the following effects from these metals:

• Nickel - an clearing/focusing effect, later a turning around the verticala axis (like having drubnken too much alcohol, or smoked too much pot), rather a very relaxing and bright effect.
• Chromium - a concentration effect, as if it where taking place in the nucleus caudatus.

To me, that seems like you're expecting to see effects when taking the samples you believe contain significant amounts of the metals. I repeat: try the metals using proper double blind testing, so you don't know when to expect an effect. If your accuracy in matching responses to samples is 50%, then it's just placebo effect.

 

[percyval577]

Thanks for the reply, @Wishful

Two of the metals (Zn and Cr) I tested also as supplement, and the effects match up.

With Zinc I reported my experiences from the quite homeopathic intake.
Under the now altered circumstances and possibly the altered intake, it is still a foreward movement,
but in itself lacking a spiral movement,
which might depent on other actions (eg Nickel).

Too much Zinc gives a paralysis of the mind.
Zinc I tested in 4 forms. Zinc is also the most requested metal,
maybe a combo with retarding release is even on a regular basis good,
but it all is about handling it with instinct.

Last year with the metals (including a silver experience from spoons, soleley taken)
brouhgt this sequence about:

silver -- nickel - chromium - zinc -- aluminium.​

Whereas silver and aluminium turned out to be fixed, the other ones could be used in any possible sequence,
only depending on which I felt to be good now.




The basically same experience I had with the vit B´s (not as literally sharp though):

• B7 gives a movement forerward around (same as chromium therefore, so far)
• B5 gives a turn around the vertical axis on the top (related to nickel therefore)
• B1 is a bit like as if an anchor would be set into the spinal chord, possibly bringing a spiral into the zinc-movement
• B2 I feel a bit uncertain in the interpretation: it might be a turn around the vertical axis more in the middle, or somehow like zinc.

Manganese - which I have basically bad effects from, and which apparently is a main cause for my ME/CFS (borrelia, EBV) - might behave as a pinning of actions at short distances. Alternatively as a sideward movement, this would be seen in the movements of manganism (youtube), of course in manganism are´nt other effects like on the immunesystem fom pathgens, also it´s high dose.

So the theory for that would be: elevevated manganese-action reinfored too much action at short distances at the expense of long distances (other metals),and brought a disruption about.

Would this make sense in view of symptoms, say pounding headaches? In this case, yes.
Feeling dizzy, having muscle pain,and so on.

I think two known actions of manganese even could go for an explanation:

• it reinforces the glutamine pool through glutamate synthase, bringing it back, alternatively (and principially complicate) there might be also an action of too less clearance of glutamine postsynaptical when other mechanism might try to compensate for too much manganese and downregulations (on the side of recognizing) might have occured
• via iNOS manganese will lead to eleated nitric oxide, at least in the presence of LPS, which will be there to small amount anyway, or even during infection to a bigger extend. This is also exitatory, and in every geometrical direction.

It will be interesting to back up these guesses through effects of all these metals on neurotransitter systems,which is partly already possible. Tpptove the whole theory will not be possible soon, I guess.

I only recently tested also VitB3, and it might be comparable to manganese, though I get at least good effects if I don´t overdo.


Hope its understandable and reasonable. I am a carpenter and have studied philosphy, so phantasy might be guessed, on the other hand, if this is true, I guess it won´t be found out soon enough on more conventional tracks.

 

[Wishful]

It will be interesting to back up these guesses through effects of all these metals on neurotransitter systems,which is partly already possible. Tpptove the whole theory will not be possible soon, I guess.

I say start with double-blind testing of the metals. Testing when you know what you're taking and are expecting certain results is very likely to mislead you. Do some proper double blind trials of a metal (or water that has briefly been in conta+t with that metal), and then see how your responses match with the samples. If you feel specific responses 80+% of the time when the sample actually contained the metal, and felt no response 80+% of the time when the sample didn't contain the metal, then you have something to build on. If you're only 50% accurate, it's only an imaginary effect, and you should look elsewhere.