A idea for those who suffer from new smelly stuff and clothes

[linusbert]

i just got a new Bible, i dont know why it must stink that much but it is on ventilation now.

what i figured, i got a big iqair health pro 250 air purifier, actually its for my room, but because i ordered new filters and those need to offgas on high ventilation setting i put it into a different room, the room where also my laundry is drying after washing. i noticed that the smell of the clothes did get better. the air filter is directly beneath the cloth rack. window is slightly opened. but the purifier blows fresh clean air on the clothes now.

i had this idea now, put a big bag or box over the air filter with a smelly item like a new Book, and let it go for a few hours or days. as the book and the air filter are in a closed off minimal space, a lot of air will over and over be filtered with the charcoal filter, which will drain the smells out of the stuff.

this might work with any active charcoal air purifier.

 

[Mary]

@linusbert - have you tried the experiment with putting a big bag or box over your air filter with a smelly item? If so, how did it go?
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The title of your thread piqued my interest - "those who suffer from new smelly stuff and clothes" - it sounded similar to a reaction I had to a new bathroom floor several years ago. Actually I had a detox reaction - it was very familiar to me. Many things used to cause me a detox reaction. My digestion would get screwed up a bit, appetite would be off, I'd feel muzzy/spacey and tired too - yeah, I know, so many ways to feel bad with this illness!

What I'm leading up to is anything that was supposed to be "cleansing" - apple cider vinegar, cayenne, chlorella, certain foot baths - all caused a very strong detox reaction for me. I believe they mobilized toxins which had been quiescent in the cells to move around and make me feel sick, then return to the cells until the next time. So when I got the new bathroom floor, my reaction was the same, it lasted a few days. I had trouble with toxins or clearing them from my system.

And then in 2014 I think I started taking glycine for sleep. It initially caused a severe detox reaction - very tired, very spacey - but muscle testing showed that it was actually good for me in very small amounts. So I kept taking it, in very small amounts, and gradually titrated up over a period of 6 months, together with inositol and glutamine, and by the end of the 6 months I was no longer reacting to everything under the sun. I think the glycine got my detox pathways working properly. I found that glycine is involved in Phase II liver detoxification and that's why the glycine hit me so strongly at first - I think it mobilized all kinds of toxins. But then ended up helping get them out of my system.

I'm now able to have ACV and cayenne, etc.

So to get back to your title, I was wondering if people who react badly to smelly clothes etc. might have trouble with their detox pathways and perhaps glylcine could help them. But I strongly recommend to start with a very small dose. I actually got lost driving to my sister's house after initially taking the glycine. But now I take it with no problem at all.

Actually now I have a different problem which might be related to the glycine - I started taking it for sleep several years ago and lately my sleep has gotten worse again - I keep switching - and I read that glycine may be a culprit! I won't go into it here. I've had some things temporarily help with sleep and then they switch, such as NAC and taurine.

Also have been reading about glycine helping with MCAS but also the opposite . . . those amino acids!

 

[hapl808]

So to get back to your title, I was wondering if people who react badly to smelly clothes etc. might have trouble with their detox pathways and perhaps glylcine could help them. But I strongly recommend to start with a very small dose. I actually got lost driving to my sister's house after initially taking the glycine. But now I take it with no problem at all.

How much glycine did you take?

I react extremely strongly to so many things. Bought some merino wool thermals a year ago - washed them 5-10 times and I still react to them. My other merino wool stuff is fine.

But glycine doesn't seem to affect me much. I've taken it on and off and thought of doing large doses as I think it was a Goldstein treatment as well.

 

[Mary]

How much glycine did you take?

I don't remember how much I took when I first took it - I'm guessing I started with perhaps 500 mg. and I had to cut way back to maybe 50 mg., am not sure, and gradually was able to increase the dose.

Now I've been taking 1000 mg before bed and 1000 mg more middle of the night and it initially helped with sleep I think but lately my insomnia has been getting worse and I just read that glycine can actually cause insomnia - it can go either way. So I'm cutting it out. I also think I need more calcium - my body goes back and forth on calcium, it will help with sleep and then cause insomnia.

So just keep an eye out for how you react to glycine - if sleep gets better or worse etc.

 

[linusbert]

i so much want to take glycine, but i dont trust any isolated anymore ,so many supplements got chemical polluted the last 1-2 years. so many stuff i could take now got weird smells and reactions i didnt have before. its not my body, a different older bage was fine, the new thing is not. its just that.
i barely take anything anymore. i wonder how long it will take until iherb puts me on the ban list for retouring smelly stuff too much.

so where to get glycine? the other source is bone broth, which is a histamine bomb. so not really a source.
so hard to get.

@linusbert - have you tried the experiment with putting a big bag or box over your air filter with a smelly item? If so, how did it go?

i didnt close it off, but i did put the book under the ventilator.. after one night, didnt reduce smelling a bit. for the clothes it worked better. maybe its jus these china books, i dont know. something with them does not work with me.

 

[Mary]

so where to get glycine? the other source is bone broth, which is a histamine bomb. so not really a source.
so hard to get.

Gelatin is very high in glycine - I don't know if it is a histamine bomb as well though - from AI:

Glycine is an amino acid that is abundant in gelatin. Gelatin is a protein derived from collagen, which is found in animal tissues such as skin, bones, and cartilage.

Glycine Content in Gelatin

Gelatin contains approximately 25-35% glycine by weight. This makes gelatin one of the richest sources of glycine in the diet.

 

[linusbert]

good idea, its not rich in histamine, but could be liberating according to ai, now i need to find a source.

 

[southwestforests]

Talking about different smells of objects made in different countries - yes, have noticed that since back in the 1980s.
Some model trains I ordered from Hornby in England in middle 1980s smelled dramatically different from both the Athearn, Atlas, and Bowser, brands made here in the US & the Bachmann ones made in China.
Prime suspect is the lubricating oils. after that, the solvents in the plastics and the paints.

Speaking of paints, I've long noticed that different brands of model paints will smell different even when of the same nature, be they enamels, acrylics, lacquers. Even different colors of the same brand can smell different, which was especially true with the now out of production PollyScale water base model paints.
That I attribute to the different minerals in the pigments.
And of course the water base acrylics smell different from the alcohol base acrylics.

Have indeed noticed books printed on different continents smelling different. I've attributed it to differing solvents in the inks, the bookbinding glues, and maybe even in the clay coated papers.

Clothes haven't seemed to have as intense or as different of smells as the books and trains have.
But I do make sure to wash new clothes before wearing them.

I do have to be careful about what laundry detergents I use, unscented is mandatory. Fabric softeners are avoided. ALL Free and Clear is laundry detergent I've been using for some time now.

Yesterday morning after creative writers group meeting I spent a hugely enjoyable couple hours walking around our little century-plus old county set farm burg's 3 block long downtown & stopping in a couple new-ish shops I'd not been in previously.
One of them I had to leave pretty quick because of something in the air.
Mustiness, moldiness, some kind of wood preservative oil for the woodwork, couldn't tell for sure.


Although not the specific topic here, haven't noticed Grumman and Georgie having a smell unless I almost touch them with my nose and sniff them. They don't really smell or smell different from each other.
The 2 dogs of childhood, a beagle then a collie, were not around at the same time so I don't know if they smelled different from each other, but they definitely had a smell. As do most all dogs.


Decades ago in the 1990s I for a while had an ionizing air purifier. It definitely made a difference,

could have not stayed in that apartment without it. And I had neither the health nor income to move.
However ...
It had some side effects ...

Anything natural rubber decayed in a hurry;
traction tires on model trains,
elastic waistbands in clothes,
raincoats,
rubber gloves for doing dishwashing, cleaning, et cetera,

Changed the colors of a couple of my jars of acrylic model paint.
And most objectionably ...
It oxidized the page edges of ALL MY BOOKS to about half an inch, 1cm, in.

You jack around with my paints and/or my books AND YOU ARE DONE, GONE, OUT OF HERE.

 

[linusbert]

The 2 dogs of childhood, a beagle then a collie, were not around at the same time so I don't know if they smelled different from each other, but they definitely had a smell. As do most all dogs.

dont get chinese dogs, i tell you, they are badly manufactured with bad materials!!

Spoiler

that was meant to be a joke, but now i am recalling when we got our cats from the animal shelter, they smelled really really bad. the problem was the bad food they got in the shelter. after a few weeks of our premium foods they almost stopped smellig completely. our black cat didnt have any smell at all.

could have not stayed in that apartment without it. And I had neither the health nor income to move.
However ...
It had some side effects ...

Anything natural rubber decayed in a hurry;
traction tires on model trains,
elastic waistbands in clothes,
raincoats,
rubber gloves for doing dishwashing, cleaning, et cetera,

Changed the colors of a couple of my jars of acrylic model paint.
And most objectionably ...

you mean the air purifier pulled out the chemicals of the stuff.. that would be a nice thing actually. but i believe the problem probably was the ionizer. my air purifier didnt after a year not change my Bible or anything in my household noticable , it doesnt have a ionizer.
i also do not recommend ionizers, i had one air purifier with it, and when i turned it own, i got symptoms of bronchial inflammation.

 

[southwestforests]

you mean the air purifier pulled out the chemicals of the stuff.. that would be a nice thing actually. but i believe the problem probably was the ionizer.

The machine had only ionizer function, which was said to purify the air.
Which it did and did admirably.

Eventually there was a persistent mystery leak from apartment above and my unit's carpet was wet for several days with apartment staff coming in and saying it wasn't that bad.
They would be back day after tomorrow to check.
In the meantime they would be trying to locate resolve the leak.

I turned the ionizer off.

When they returned the second day the moldy odor was enough that they had me in a different apartment that evening.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

after initially taking the glycine

I have two unopened bottles of that.

unscented is mandatory.

Everything is perfume drenched, here in Mexico. For example, All the Toilet Paper. That we found a box of unscented Kleenex, is remarkable.

the relatives are also perfume drenched. If they drop by, I"m expected to Hug them. Even if they just got out of an airplane, I"m lectured on the mandatory social graces.

I uttered: "I can't do this". Once. In front of five guests in my living room. Oops, some of them spoke English.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

However ...
It had some side effects ...

Anything natural rubber decayed in a hurry;

do you mean the ozone did a number on these rubber items?

Decades ago in the 1990s I for a while had an ionizing air purifier.

My salesman husband was selling those. We had five. Used them often.

The tricky part is the ozone. But you can control it with dials.

Later, after the wildfires, we cruised past some wealthy homes and here was full sized Electrolux Air purifier, sitting at the end of the driveway. FREE.

The rich no longer needed to filter the smoky air. I use this thing often. I bought some extra filters and managed to buy the wrong size so I will be Duct Taping future filters.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

I turned the ionizer off.

To impress customers, you spray ammonia on a paper towel and hold it in front of the filter and notice how your not breathing ammonia any longer.

 

[southwestforests]

the relatives are also perfume drenched. If they drop by, I"m expected to Hug them. Even if they just got out of an airplane, I"m lectured on the mandatory social graces.

Oh dear.

Am uncertain how to make it work for you, but what helps people get over that obsession with me, is the inside of my sinuses instantly swelling, the capillaries popping, and me sneezing blood all over them.
Once is all it takes.
For some strange reason word really gets around in a hurry.

 

[southwestforests]

do you mean the ozone did a number on these rubber items?

Yes.
Those types of items did fine before the ozone thing.
Those types of items have done fine since getting rid of the ozone thing.
Those types of items only had trouble while the ozone thing was being used 24/7/365.
Based on those data points the cause had to be the ozone gizmo.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Anything natural rubber decayed in a hurry;
traction tires on model trains,
elastic waistbands in clothes,
raincoats,
rubber gloves for doing dishwashing, cleaning, et cetera,

I kept alot of vintage and ancient stuff. Most of it is now one, but I have considerable expertise in the elastic has failed.
I saved my own daughters really expensive dresses and now, the elastic is shot. I've got to redo my mother's Glass Headed doll: the elastic failed, arms fell off.

I've got marionettes to repair: they had rubber stings now dropping and collapsed.

Today I almost deployed a pencil on paper. Had I done so, I would have broken a two year running streak of me Intending to Deploy a Pencil on paper.

 

[southwestforests]

To impress customers, you spray ammonia on a paper towel and hold it in front of the filter and notice how your not breathing ammonia any longer.

Interesting, did not know that. Ammonia is pretty powerful stuff.
It too can often have me sneezing blood just like perfumes and air fresheners can.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Those types of items did fine before the ozone thing.

In my case, living in a hot climate likely contributes to my Elastic Failures. Because heat can also mess up such items.

 

[Rufous McKinney]

Elastic Failures.

The Honda Recall.

The visors.

They fail, in hot climates.

So when recalled, they replace the melted visors with new visors which also melt.

Its disconcerting, when driving, to have one's visors falling down, reducing windshield square footage visibility.

I recall this, from my past life when I still drove.

 

[southwestforests]

Today I almost deployed a pencil on paper. Had I done so, I would have broken a two year running streak of me Intending to Deploy a Pencil on paper.

Because of my own neurological and musculoskeletal troubles with my hands I'm not sure whether that is funny or sad or mixed.

Has been something like 20 years since I've drawn any picture pictures.
Sketch notes for hobby projects, yes.
Actual pictures?
Nope, not any more.

Still have the something like $175 worth of those nice artist type colored pencils.
It's not like they are going to go sour like milk and bananas do.
They will keep just fine for multiple decades.