Sam7777
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It has been about 9 months that I have known about the fact that I actually have to detox metals from my body. Or that I at least have a solid amount of evidence suggesting I should.
I cannot prove that it will work, or that it is the true cause of my suffering. But I cannot prove that it is not. And I have a terrifying amount of evidence, authors, and international published scientist backing my arguments that I have summed up over the last year and a half of research.
I knew about and understood much of Freddd's protocol for about the last 20 months. I have known about Cutler's protocol for close to a year and a half. I only recently learned in the last 12 weeks about Dr. Chris Shade and QuickSilver. I have known about Dr. Larry Wilson's Nutritional balancing program for close to a year and a half as well. I have Natasha Campbell McBride's GAP diet to go by as well.
With much ardent effort and little success, I have not found people in my same position who also understand these protocols and authors, let alone who have knowledge about the alternative health issues being debated by the bigger names, such as Andrew Wakefield, Klinghardt, Huggins, Haley. And in fact Gary Null has interviewed countless other big names. Albeit many important authors are discussed on Phoenix, so this is an informed community.
This is though beginning to overwhelm me, because I am doing it alone, without other examples to go off of, without a significant number of people who are aware of these things.
Part of the reason is simple. I really mentally have declined in the last 12 months to a point where, participation in things with other people, and reading in general is EXTREMELY hard. Because YES I did severely harm myself with ALPHA LIPOIC ACID and other herbs which later according to Chris Shade serve to greatly enhance the function of heavy metal removal. I am either one really smart person or one really stupid one, but when I decided to self treat with no protocol or community of people a year and a half ago, it was the worst protocol imaginable for an unsuspecting sufferer of metal poisoning.
Some call it CFS, or adrenal fatigue, or fibro or whichever. I know what I took, and I took it to restore my adrenals not to remove metals or to worse yet crash myself, which is what happened. I am at a point now where I am struggling to believe that it is B12 deficiency and metals. I have no proof to say it is not. But that is just the sad state my mind is in.
If I had metals, and if metals can truly be slung about at the biochemical level by cheap OTC alternative health supplements, causing awful problems, then I did the worst thing possible when I did. But according to these treatment protocols, I was using the right supplements, just in the wrong dangerous ways. It took me quite a long, long, long time to realize how important the supplements I was taking a year and half ago experimentally and casually, are to people who already have anemia, CFS, and metal toxicity, and other autoimmune issues. So in a way, I was very very spot on early on, but naturally then had the faculties to backtrack, and adhere to a regime and participate in a community much more diligently. This is not the case now, because of my "Memento"- like memory problems.
So I believe now more than ever I need to meet people who are aware of these authors I mentioned, and I need to become more involved in some way with the Phoenix board as I can be. I have countless ideas, but little results, and little in the way of others empiracle data to go by.
There were times when I was taking 30 different supplements including ALA and methyl B12 like Ray Kurzweil. If this had been done scientifically, empirically, and in a group, and observed, the information would have been invaluable. I see people online, and in treatment groups, and there is a pussyfootedness about the entire process. Or more so there is a lack of cohesion to the many different treatments. It is very unorganized. They think that Cutler's approach alone will do it, or that just B12 is gonna be the end of the discussion. But when you see the big picture, you realize how do or die the alternative diets and supplements are.
B12 might work flawlessly, which it should, given the information layed out here by Freddd. I think anyone in my boat, and just about anyone on curezone, or Phoenix oughta be put on the Dead Lock Quartet almost certainly for good measure. But if that person with CFS has metals, and has celiacs, and takes pharma, and they continue to remain overweight, and they do not address the co-morbid issues, change the diet, etc how can you really dismiss the rest of the supplements and treatments. The most aggressive treatment really I guess I have seen is proposed by Larry Wilson, Klinghardt, and Chris Shade. But I can't say I have met anyone who had anything to say about the after affects of their advice, especially Shade and Klinghardt. Beacuse as Cutler puts it "these people who do get better don't stay online long, they get better, go back to their life's and you never hear from them again".
But this makes it difficult to properly get feedback from a community consensus. It is like these people are leprechauns and I am the fool looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Please, if you have had experience with these protocols, and had any success, and are aware of these names and issues, lets try to connect. I need to become considerably more organized, and meet other organized people in this situation.
I had listened to Chris Shades Youtube videos alone, via Mercola. The information was staggering, taken in account with the GAPS diet and with Freddd's Dead Lock Quartet, it is a vivid picture of what kind of disease processes are really occurring.
I feel that there is either a missing section from the Phoenix forums, or at a bare minimum there is some kind of sticky topic needed to begin to convey some of these issues related to the large amount of supplements and protocols involved with CFS that is associated with b12 and metals.
I believe this is because Phoenix is a CFS forum, and of course naturally not strictly dedicated to heavy metal chelation, because of the multi factoriol causes of CFS. So many of the non CFS related cases of known metal and anemia related issues go under the radar. Some of these people never assume they have CFS and never even come to this website. I have no doubt there are important forums I have yet to find that are relevant.
I cannot prove that it will work, or that it is the true cause of my suffering. But I cannot prove that it is not. And I have a terrifying amount of evidence, authors, and international published scientist backing my arguments that I have summed up over the last year and a half of research.
I knew about and understood much of Freddd's protocol for about the last 20 months. I have known about Cutler's protocol for close to a year and a half. I only recently learned in the last 12 weeks about Dr. Chris Shade and QuickSilver. I have known about Dr. Larry Wilson's Nutritional balancing program for close to a year and a half as well. I have Natasha Campbell McBride's GAP diet to go by as well.
With much ardent effort and little success, I have not found people in my same position who also understand these protocols and authors, let alone who have knowledge about the alternative health issues being debated by the bigger names, such as Andrew Wakefield, Klinghardt, Huggins, Haley. And in fact Gary Null has interviewed countless other big names. Albeit many important authors are discussed on Phoenix, so this is an informed community.
This is though beginning to overwhelm me, because I am doing it alone, without other examples to go off of, without a significant number of people who are aware of these things.
Part of the reason is simple. I really mentally have declined in the last 12 months to a point where, participation in things with other people, and reading in general is EXTREMELY hard. Because YES I did severely harm myself with ALPHA LIPOIC ACID and other herbs which later according to Chris Shade serve to greatly enhance the function of heavy metal removal. I am either one really smart person or one really stupid one, but when I decided to self treat with no protocol or community of people a year and a half ago, it was the worst protocol imaginable for an unsuspecting sufferer of metal poisoning.
Some call it CFS, or adrenal fatigue, or fibro or whichever. I know what I took, and I took it to restore my adrenals not to remove metals or to worse yet crash myself, which is what happened. I am at a point now where I am struggling to believe that it is B12 deficiency and metals. I have no proof to say it is not. But that is just the sad state my mind is in.
If I had metals, and if metals can truly be slung about at the biochemical level by cheap OTC alternative health supplements, causing awful problems, then I did the worst thing possible when I did. But according to these treatment protocols, I was using the right supplements, just in the wrong dangerous ways. It took me quite a long, long, long time to realize how important the supplements I was taking a year and half ago experimentally and casually, are to people who already have anemia, CFS, and metal toxicity, and other autoimmune issues. So in a way, I was very very spot on early on, but naturally then had the faculties to backtrack, and adhere to a regime and participate in a community much more diligently. This is not the case now, because of my "Memento"- like memory problems.
So I believe now more than ever I need to meet people who are aware of these authors I mentioned, and I need to become more involved in some way with the Phoenix board as I can be. I have countless ideas, but little results, and little in the way of others empiracle data to go by.
There were times when I was taking 30 different supplements including ALA and methyl B12 like Ray Kurzweil. If this had been done scientifically, empirically, and in a group, and observed, the information would have been invaluable. I see people online, and in treatment groups, and there is a pussyfootedness about the entire process. Or more so there is a lack of cohesion to the many different treatments. It is very unorganized. They think that Cutler's approach alone will do it, or that just B12 is gonna be the end of the discussion. But when you see the big picture, you realize how do or die the alternative diets and supplements are.
B12 might work flawlessly, which it should, given the information layed out here by Freddd. I think anyone in my boat, and just about anyone on curezone, or Phoenix oughta be put on the Dead Lock Quartet almost certainly for good measure. But if that person with CFS has metals, and has celiacs, and takes pharma, and they continue to remain overweight, and they do not address the co-morbid issues, change the diet, etc how can you really dismiss the rest of the supplements and treatments. The most aggressive treatment really I guess I have seen is proposed by Larry Wilson, Klinghardt, and Chris Shade. But I can't say I have met anyone who had anything to say about the after affects of their advice, especially Shade and Klinghardt. Beacuse as Cutler puts it "these people who do get better don't stay online long, they get better, go back to their life's and you never hear from them again".
But this makes it difficult to properly get feedback from a community consensus. It is like these people are leprechauns and I am the fool looking for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Please, if you have had experience with these protocols, and had any success, and are aware of these names and issues, lets try to connect. I need to become considerably more organized, and meet other organized people in this situation.
I had listened to Chris Shades Youtube videos alone, via Mercola. The information was staggering, taken in account with the GAPS diet and with Freddd's Dead Lock Quartet, it is a vivid picture of what kind of disease processes are really occurring.
I feel that there is either a missing section from the Phoenix forums, or at a bare minimum there is some kind of sticky topic needed to begin to convey some of these issues related to the large amount of supplements and protocols involved with CFS that is associated with b12 and metals.
I believe this is because Phoenix is a CFS forum, and of course naturally not strictly dedicated to heavy metal chelation, because of the multi factoriol causes of CFS. So many of the non CFS related cases of known metal and anemia related issues go under the radar. Some of these people never assume they have CFS and never even come to this website. I have no doubt there are important forums I have yet to find that are relevant.